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You mean Obama is not an Arab?

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Wow...she can't seem to spit out the word "black" or "African"...and he can't spit out "Arab"...based on the best data I've gathered, Obama has a white mama and his dad is 1/4 black, 3/4 Arab...who cares? I'm voting Cynthia McKinney.
 
Bush is a piece of shit on shit, that shitted shit out of a sewage on planet shit, in the galaxy of shit, on a reality tv show that was fiction called eat shit out of a shit box delivered from your anus. With shit tasting stamps.

Sorry, hope I was on topic enough.


Ps. I hate Bush. The prez that is.
 
CapnG said:
S'matter Pandora, can't get your box closed?
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One disturbing aspect I somehow missed when I first watched that video was the notion that Arabs are not "good family men". The way McCain describes Obama as not being an Arab was very very risky IMO.
 
Not to suggest that what this woman said was right or that all arabs are bad family men or evil for that matter, but people do bring up valid concerns - we are at war with muslim extremists. Is Obama a muslim? Who knows (at least not according to him), but he did attend a muslim school at some point and his father was a muslim. Despite what the media says, people will look at his background and concerns will be raised because of this. If Obama were to ever go through a CIA or FBI security clearance, would he ever pass? I'm not so sure. Is there such a test for becoming a prez? Don't know.
 
truthseeker said:
Who knows (at least not according to him), but he did attend a muslim school at some point and his father was a muslim.
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I have a friend who's an atheist but he was raised Muslim and went to a catholic school.

Q: By that line of reasoning what does that make him?

A: It makes him a person, not a pre-programmed robot (which is what the Obama-madrassa angle implies). In fact it you were concerned about the whole pre-programmed thing, I'd be scruntinizing the evangelicals and hard-right conservatives making the accusations much more than Obama...
 
The whole Arab thing is a waste of time in my opinion, and isn't really getting much traction anyway.

From a tactical standpoint, a much better line of attack is Obama's legitimately close association with reverand Jeremiah Wright. That guy is a crazy and virulent racist yet Obama considered him a "spiritual advisor" and he even married Barrack and Michelle. Wright preached that AIDS was invented by the US government to kill black people!!??? Not sure why the republicans haven't redredged that up again. McCain is running a horrible campaign though so I'm not surprised.

I just want it all to be over. I am growing to hate them both and I don't think there is a dime's worth of difference between them, nor the republicans and democrats in congress. Neither of them has a clue how to deal with America's debt and financial crisis.
 
Cosmic Ejaculator 1814 said:
I wonder what the relationship is between John McCain and the loony eschatologist Sarah Palin?
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The relationship? The only relationship they have is that they are running mates. McCain didn't even know her until recently and he needed a hail mary pass of a candidate pick. Belonging to some sort of end-times church is one thing, belonging to a church where the pastor says "God Damn America" is not going to fly here in the states.

Don't want to turn this into a Palin bashing thread. There are plenty of them on here already for those so inclined. My point was that Obama = Arab is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of useful attacks. The William Ayers terrorist connection and rev Wright are better, although the Ayers thing is a bit of a stretch.
 
DamnDirtyApe said:
The relationship? The only relationship they have is that they are running mates. McCain didn't even know her until recently and he needed a hail mary pass of a candidate pick.
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Now,what does that tell you about McCain's "leadership"? "That's not change we can believe in".

She clearly wasn't vetted by the MickyD camp,and if you're still clinging to the Rep.talking point,that she's got more experience than Obama,I'm afraid you're missing the bigger picture - He knows "stuff" - She doesn't!

Oh and one other thing;
By her logic - I(!) have as much foreign policy experience as her,since I can easily see Russia from my beloved home "state" - Norway...;)
 
Cosmic Ejaculator 1814 said:
Now,what does that tell you about McCain's "leadership"? "That's not change we can believe in".

She clearly wasn't vetted by the MickyD camp,and if you're still clinging to the Rep.talking point,that she's got more experience than Obama,I'm afraid you're missing the bigger picture - He knows "stuff" - She doesn't!

Oh and one other thing;
By her logic - I(!) have as much foreign policy experience as her,since I can easily see Russia from my beloved home "state" - Norway...;)
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"Clinging to Rep. talking points?" lol... you are trying to project onto me your own biases and agenda. I have no "talking points" and I'm not even a republican. The subject was the validity of Obama's weaknesses from attacks about being Arab and you suddenly go off onto Palin's comments about Russia? It seems like you have a vested interest in jumping to defend Obama.

Whether or not you think McCain's leadership is questionable because of his VP pick has no bearing on the fact that Obama = Arab is a weak argument compared to other issues such as Wright and (to some extent) Ayers.

Now, Obama could argue that his association with Wright and Ayers is "ok" because of Palin being a christian who goes to a loony church, but Obama wants none of that and simply wants Wright and Ayers to go away. Obama is ahead and wants to run out the clock rather than risk increasing his negatives by going after Palin's religion. Besides he doesnt have to directly since his surrogates and the media are already doing it. Obama did eventually reluctantly disavow Wright because it was a no-win scenario for him to continue to defend Wright.
 
Cosmic Ejaculator 1814 said:
"A vested interest",only in the sense that I don't want too see the world turn into a floating cinder in the next 8 years...
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Don't worry about Obama, it's almost a lock that he's going to win. The only thing I can think that might sink it is that he's not ahead enough in key delegate states to overcome the "Bradley" effect where people wont admit to pollsters that they won't vote for a black guy. He needs buffer of 5 percent or more above and beyond a simple majority vote. But even then, since it's delegates that cast the key votes, who knows what they will end up doing - they MIGHT go against the popular vote, but I think that's a rare occurance.
 
DamnDirtyApe said:
Don't worry about Obama, it's almost a lock that he's going to win. The only thing I can think that might sink it is that he's not ahead enough in key delegate states to overcome the "Bradley" effect where people wont admit to pollsters that they won't vote for a black guy. He needs buffer of 5 percent or more above and beyond a simple majority vote. But even then, since it's delegates that cast the key votes, who knows what they will end up doing - they MIGHT go against the popular vote, but I think that's a rare occurance.
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I've never understood the American system of an Electoral College - this is Democracy? What do you think - outdated? - archaic?

I think you're right about the "Bradley effect",by the way.The only difference that I can see this time,is the sorry state of the Country.It may be that the current economic and geopolitical situation is the right environment for an "unconventional looking" candidate,like Obama.I won't hold my breath,though...
 
"Sarah, there’s a government inside the government, and I don’t control it" -- Bill Clinton (Why aren't you doing anything about UFO's?)

GSB, What is the context of that quote?
 
Cosmic Ejaculator 1814 said:
I've never understood the American system of an Electoral College - this is Democracy? What do you think - outdated? - archaic?
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Yea I think it is a bit outdated..perhaps a straight one vote for every citizen, most votes wins thing would work. I guess part of the reason for the delegates originally is part of a checks and balances system where the founding fathers wanted a layer between the masses and the educated elected elites entrusted with voting. I think the idea was that they would step in in case the people were seriously off the mark.

Also it helped guard against big states pushing their weight around over smaller states.. or something to that effect.

On the other hand, considering how suspectable modern voting methods are to voter fraud and error, the idea of elected representatives making the final decision isn't a terrible idea after all.
 
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