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This is patently absurd. MOGUL consisted of ordinary junk such as balloons, easily recognizable to a base intel officer and not displaying the extraordinary properties reported by witnesses. As has been pointed out many times, MOGUL may have been classified but not the materials used in it. Had...

It's noteworthy that after "inexplicably, inexcusably mistaking" a mogul ballon for something exotic (which caused an awful ruckus) Col. Blanchard and subordinates incurred no censure, but were promoted. But traces seen in association with unusual flying craft and with strange effects like no...

Credible witnesses HAVE told "yarns" i.e. reports for which there is no prosaic explanation. When associated with reports of unusual flying craft they constitute evidence of them.

Testimony of credible witnesses carries some weight. I didn't say it was sufficient in itself but part off the body of evidence. Like I said before, UFOlogy isn't based solely on witness testimony. There are various physical traces (known to the public).

Evidence for ET is not limited to testimony. Your opinion. The testimony of several people concerning confiscation of material with extraordinary properties, or associated with an unusual flying thing, is evidence. Not incontrovertible proof, but evidence of a coverup.

I meant there are good grounds to think the government has proof. You can't assume there's no proof just because lay people don't have access.

Witness testimony about confiscation of physical evidence.

You can't state that categorically. There are good grounds for believing the government knows a great deal more than the public.

That we laymen know of, or have seen. Frauds with a purpose i.e. disinformation agents. Ironically they're indirect confirmation of the phenomena. As the late Timothy Good wrote "..there would be no point in disinformation if there was nothing to cover up."

I never believed that theory. To cite just one problem with it, humanoids are usually associated with flying machines.

I've always doubted that very much.

You're referring to deletions, OK.

Moody wasn't banned for deletions. Biedney actually saw merit in some of what moody posted on Roswell. But he just couldn't stand the tone of Moody's posts. He was harsh about that and said "I'm banning you Lance."

He was on worse terms with Lance Moody whom he once banned. I didn't get along great either. Once, after I posted a point by point refutation of his ideas, he referred to me as "this dork" but said "I can't ban him …." Anyway RIP. Btw does anybody know the condition of skeptic CDA/Christopher...

Indeed present society and government wouldn't survive the revelation. But that doesn't mean we'll never know, just that disclosure must await a new system more receptive to reality. Control access yes and keep it from us, certainly. Right, not never but decades away IMO.

I just saw that. Good to see KDR is still alive and punching and his recent health problems haven't silenced him. :)

An idiotic idea. If UFOs were secret government devices, in the 76 years since '47 their extraordinary technology would've come into general use or more widespread use.

They may not be bad in the sense of wanting to do wrong or messing things up; unfortunately that's the result since their lack of intelligence leads to poor political choices that affect all of us.

They're obviously dumb to believe in Trump, to the point where they scatter rationality to the four winds. That a buffoon gets so much support is proof democracy is unworkable.

He's a clown and a demagogue. It speaks volumes about the stupidity of the electorate (and hence the viability of democracy, long-term) that somebody like that commands so much devotion. That said, I was glad to see him clobber Haley in the recent primaries. Haley has been called an "Israel...