2.10.08 Episode - "The Battle of Los Angeles"

[valiens]

This is surprising to me. I didn't even know that photo of the "battle" was real (or the event). So if this event is real and the photo is real, why on earth don't ufologists simply hold this thing up to the camera every time they're on a talk show? Don't even engage the debunkers, just hold up the photo and say, "Dude...."

 

[valiens]

Wow, you changed the Bill Birnes UFO Mag ad. Kinda sad over here. It was becoming iconic.

 

[Goody]

Wow, you changed the Bill Birnes UFO Mag ad. Kinda sad over here. It was becoming iconic.

Hey, it had to happen & thankgod it did happen!

I haven't heard this program yet, sounds very very interesting...

Goody.

 

[mike]

i enjoyed this very much and the battle of LA is one of the most interesting sightings ever, including the "well theres a fine how do you do !" aspect

the mention of aliens using artificial wombs also intrigued me

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/feb/10/medicalscience.research

why should they have all the fun

the discussion of gene harvesting was also great to hear, it reminded me of the premise of the author david Brins uplift series of books where basically making a thing from stone or wood is fine, metal and plastic better, but the untimate materiel to make a thing from is DNA

and that "aliens" "ets" call em what you will are engaged in a galatic "goldrush" with dna being the ultimate gold

 

[Ron Collins]

Is it me or did Gene and Dave sound a bit irritated with the good doctor? I thought so and it seemed odd considering that he was about 1000% more lucid and contributory than some unmentioned guests.

 

[Ron Collins]

hmm, just got to the last part where he starts talking about androids and multiple alien races and whatnot. I'm not sure how I feel about that. The whole bio-android thing sounds hooky. Where does this stuff come from? Is it taken from regressed memories of abductions?

 

[mike]

i think thats where the idea comes from, along with the hybrid human accounts, hypno regression of abductees.

but its funny how the story mimics reality as per my link to the artificial womb in my previous post. add the following

"How are hybrid and chimeric embryos made?

There are three different types. Hybrid embryos are made by fertilising an egg with the sperm of another species, the same technique used to make a mule. For a hybrid to fertilise, the egg and sperm have to come from very closely related species. Chimeric embryos are made by injecting cells or genetic material of one species into the embryo of another. Scientists at Stanford University plan to use this to create a mouse with 10% human brain cells.

The third type of embryo is called a cytoplasmic hybrid, created by inserting a cell, or DNA, from one animal into the hollowed-out egg of another species. Scientists in London and Newcastle hope to create these by fusing human cells with cow and rabbit eggs. All research embryos must be destroyed within 14 days and it is illegal for them to be implanted."
from this article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/apr/05/genetics.topstories3

and everything described in the "alien" story is reality or close enough to it in the human reality

looking at the two articles above the idea that aliens could create hybrids and grow them in artificial wombs doesnt seem so far fetched anymore.

interestingly the only obsticle in the path of research is morality or our perception of it. and again im drawn to Mr Streibers alien quote
that the ability to do a thing is the only right or permission you need to do it

 

[David Biedny]

Jeremy,

Here's Maccabee's analysis of the picture.

As far as Littleton... good info, but to be perfectly honest, he reminds me of the college professor that won't let the students have a chance to actually ask questions.

dB

 

[CapnG]

The whole bio-android thing sounds hooky. Where does this stuff come from? Is it taken from regressed memories of abductions?

Actually it's come up multiple times from multiple sources, so either it's a common story or a myth/disinfo. Even Corso brought it up.

He does seem to take it all as "given" though. Much of this really IS being spun into modern mythology and that's problematic. The day we simply say "Oh yes the greys, they work for the reptoids and are fighting the Lyrans in an ongoing war" as if it were FACT, we've completely gone off the rails.

Also I'm pretty sure he's literalizing uchuujin. Although the dictionary will tell you uchuu means universe and jin means person/people I believe in fact it is a direct word-to-word translation of the western term "spacemen". That's the trouble with japanese as a language, it's all about context...

 

[valiens]

Jeremy,

Here's Maccabee's analysis of the picture.

As far as Littleton... good info, but to be perfectly honest, he reminds me of the college professor that won't let the students have a chance to actually ask questions.

dB

Thanks, Dave. Now someone explain how we went from search lights and explosions here to absolutely nothing at O'Hare in just a couple of decades.

Does this indicate that someone(s) mighty powerful has real facts about what these things are to the extent that they're no longer shooting at them?

 

[CinderMoltenHowl]

One thing I also think off when looking at photos like this is to ask "What else could it be?".

This is fairly common question amongst the standard skeptic, ufologist etc.

For example, is it possible that what occurred on the night was some thick fog or cloud that took on the appearance of a aircraft or "UFO". Is this a reason why when firing flak rounds at it nothing happened and it continued on its slow, merry way before heading out to sea? Why then would radar pick it up? etc etc

I must say this was to me one of the more enjoyable and interesting shows, although it did get a tad out of hand towards the end when the other "unusual" stuff was raised. I tend to like the more historical episodes where such incidents are discussed and explored.

 

[Brian Now]

You know I love the Paracast, but it's really changing and becoming much softer like C2C. I guess this is in line with the hosts' intention to branch out.

This was another interview that the guest was allowed to say too much without being questioned. I'll give David credit for stopping Littleton with the story of Eisenhower making agreements with aliens. And Gene did throw in a "whoa whoa whoa" I suppose, but basically the man got a free ride.

I just see so many problems with this guy's presentation. The "Battle of Los Angeles" is interesting and I can see why it should be discussed, but against the background of WWII and known military testing activity it loses luster.

Another problem was Littleton's timeline of alien activity on Earth. He said they had been here around 12-13,000 years? Why is it no one ever seems to wonder why one civilization would keep the same interest in the same project for this long? He would have us think that these super advanced aliens lie stagnant for millenia watching humans develop? Even worse, he says they might be living 50-100,000 years after their own Ice Age/development of civilization. We're only about 5,000 years into "civilization" in it's anthropological sense, and look were we already are. Give us another 95,000 years of development and I bet we'd have better things to do than spend eons more watching/abducting/manipulating some alien civilization.

If he had at least said they were time traveling I would give him some credit. But he seems like another in a line of "silly old men" that come on the Paracast. Sorry, it's just how I honestly feel.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Yes. It did sound like Gene was unusually "irritated" by Littleton.

 

[nikki630]

Jeremy,

Here's Maccabee's analysis of the picture.

As far as Littleton... good info, but to be perfectly honest, he reminds me of the college professor that won't let the students have a chance to actually ask questions.

dB

Thanks David -- it was great to be able to see the photo that was discussed in the show.

You second comment addresses my minor criticism. Like others I thought Mr. Littleton spoke well and was quite lucid. However, in the second half of the show he went on about his theories regarding alien abduction etc. But you guys never really questioned what he based these theories on. I was pleased that he made it very clear that he was just speculating, it just would have been nice to know what he based that speculation on.

 

[David Biedny]

Yeah, I think that Gene & I were getting a little frustrated, and it showed in the second half on the interview. Sorry, some interviews just go more smoothly than others...

As far as going "soft", the bottom line is that if we always behave like "rude attack dogs" (a term used to describe me on another show's thread), we're gonna have a hard time getting guests. For some of our listeners, we're too harsh, for others, too soft. You can't please everyone all the time. We have to find a balance between giving the guest a chance to speak, and getting critical with their responses and our follow-up questions. Sometimes, if we think that hard questions will not get any answers, we might decide to tone things down. That's not the usual approach, but we reserve the right to use it.

dB

 

[Michael L.]

That's the trouble with japanese as a language, it's all about context...

Wuh? What language isn't? I mean, just looking around me, I see a space bar but I can't get drinks in orbit there! My Japanese is notoriously hideous (I can read some because I read traditional Chinese), but I would guess you are right in your interpretation. Didn't the good doctor mention mention he did not speak Japanese, or was that my imagination?

 

[CapnG]

Wuh? What language isn't? I mean, just looking around me, I see a space bar but I can't get drinks in orbit there!

Yeah but japanese has so many synonyms it's just brutal since the language is constructed purely phoenetically.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Yeah, I think that Gene & I were getting a little frustrated, and it showed in the second half on the interview. Sorry, some interviews just go more smoothly than others...

As far as going "soft", the bottom line is that if we always behave like "rude attack dogs" (a term used to describe me on another show's thread), we're gonna have a hard time getting guests. For some of our listeners, we're too harsh, for others, too soft. You can't please everyone all the time. We have to find a balance between giving the guest a chance to speak, and getting critical with their responses and our follow-up questions. Sometimes, if we think that hard questions will not get any answers, we might decide to tone things down. That's not the usual approach, but we reserve the right to use it.

dB

All i all i think you both handled it well, as frustrating as it must have been.
I think most of us here would agree with you, David, that Littleton dug his own grave and he did come across as an overbearing lecturer at times.

 

[Capnkumquat]

The first half of the show was definitely the most interesting as it was almost entirely based on first person or second person accounts with reactions to news and military releases of the day.

Anytime someone gets into speculation of the unknown with little or no actual fact it can get really weird really fast. When guests start down the "My opinion is that God is a gigantic grilled cheese sandwich with dill pickles at the edge of the universe" road, all you can do is roll your eyes and ask a question they might actually know something about.

The good doctor ended up on that road a few times in the second hour and needed a bit of a nudge to return to something other than wild speculation. Overall, I think the octogenarian handled himself pretty well and had some pretty interesting first hand stuff to add to the public record.

 

[freemars2259]

I really enjoyed the first half of the show but once the guest started talking about the different types of aliens the show went downhill a bit, his ideas about Prometheus were interesting though.