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200,000 year-old African City Found? Wow...

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Ancient Human Metropolis Found in Africa
By Dan Eden

They have always been there. People noticed them before. But no one could remember who made them -- or why? Until just recently, no one even knew how many there were. Now they are everywhere -- thousands -- no, hundreds of thousands of them! And the story they tell is the most important story of humanity. But it's one we might not be prepared to hear.

Something amazing has been discovered in an area of South Africa, about 150 miles inland, west of the port of Maputo. It is the remains of a huge metropolis that measures, in conservative estimates, about 1500 square miles. It's part of an even larger community that is about 10,000 square miles and appears to have been constructed -- are you ready -- from 160,000 to 200,000 BCE!

The image [top of page] is a close-up view of just a few hundred meters of the landscape taken from google-earth. The region is somewhat remote and the "circles" have often been encountered by local farmers who assumed they were made by some indigenous people in the past. But, oddly, no one ever bothered to inquire about who could have made them or how old they were.

This changed when researcher and author, Michael Tellinger, teamed up with Johan Heine, a local fireman and pilot who had been looking at these ruins from his years flying over the region. Heine had the unique advantage to see the number and extent of these strange stone foundations and knew that their significance was not being appreciated.

"When Johan first introduced me to the ancient stone ruins of southern Africa, I had no idea of the incredible discoveries we would make in the year or two that followed. The photographs, artifacts and evidence we have accumulated points unquestionably to a lost and never-before-seen civilization that predates all others -- not by just a few hundred years, or a few thousand years... but many thousands of years. These discoveries are so staggering that they will not be easily digested by the mainstream historical and archaeological fraternity, as we have already experienced. It will require a complete paradigm shift in how we view our human history. " -- Tellinger
Where it was found


The area is significant for one striking thing -- gold. "The thousands of ancient gold mines discovered over the past 500 years, points to a vanished civilization that lived and dug for gold in this part of the world for thousands of years," says Tellinger. "And if this is in fact the cradle of humankind, we may be looking at the activities of the oldest civilization on Earth."

To see the number and scope of these ruins, I suggest that you use google-earth and start with the following coordinates:
Carolina -- 25 55' 53.28" S / 30 16' 13.13" E
Badplaas -- 25 47' 33.45" S / 30 40' 38.76" E
Waterval -- 25 38' 07.82" S / 30 21' 18.79" E
Machadodorp -- 25 39' 22.42" S / 30 17' 03.25" E

Then perform a low flying search inside the area formed by this rectangle. Simply Amazing!

Did gold play some role in the dense population that once lived here? The site is just about 150 miles from an excellent port where maritime trade could have helped to support such a large population. But remember -- we're talking almost 200,000 years ago!

The individual ruins mostly consist of stone circles. Most have been buried in the sand and are only observable by satellite or aircraft. Some have been exposed when the changing climate has blown the sand away, revealing the walls and foundations.


"I see myself as a fairly open-minded chap but I will admit that it took me well over a year for the penny to drop, and for me to realise that we are actually dealing with the oldest structures ever built by humans on Earth.

The main reason for this is that we have been taught that nothing of significance has ever come from southern Africa. That the powerful civilizations all emerged in Sumeria and Egypt and other places. We are told that until the settlement of the BANTU people from the north, which was supposed to have started sometime in the 12th century AD, this part of the world was filled by hunter gatherers and so-called Bushmen, who did not make any major contributions in technology or civilization." -- Tellinger


A Rich and Diverse History

When explorers first encountered these ruins, they assumed that they were cattle corals made by nomadic tribes, like the Bantu people, as they moved south and settled the land from around the 13th century. There was no previous historical record of any older civilization capable of building such a densly populated community. Little effort was made to investigate the site because the scope of the ruins was not fully known.

Over the past 20 years, people like Cyril Hromnik, Richard Wade, Johan Heine and a handful of others have discovered that these stone structures are not what the seem to be. In fact these are now believed to be the remains of ancient temples and astronomical observatories of lost ancient civilizations that stretch back for many thousands of years.

These circular ruins are spread over a huge area. They can only truly be appreciated from the air or through modern sattelite images. Many of them have almost completely eroded or have been covered by the movement of soil from farming and the weather. Some have survived well enough to reveal their great size [see above] with some original walls standing almost 5 feet high and over a meter wide in places.

Looking at the entire metropolis, it becomes obvious that this was a well planned community, developed by a highly evolved civilization. The number of ancient gold mines suggests the reason for the community being in this location. We find roads -- some extending a hundred miles -- that connected the community and terraced agriculture, closely resembling those found in the Inca settlements in Peru.

But one question begs for an answer -- how could this be achieved by humans 200,000 years ago?

How the Site was dated

Once the ruins were examined, the researchers were anxious to place the lost civilization in a historical perspective. The rocks were covered with a patina that looked very old but there were no items sufficient for carbon-14 dating. It was then that a chance discovery revealed the age of the site, and sent a chill down the spine of archaeologists and historians!

NEXT: The Dating of the Site —article w/ fab photos continues at link>>> IS SITCHEN RIGHT? <<<<< worth the read for all you archaeoastronomy fanz...
 
Mr Tellinger is slightly suspect. He's been running a site called 'slave species of the gods' for a few years. He's been trying to publicize 'Adam's Calender' as proof that the world had a civilization that predates accepted timelines of human endeavor. If it was plausible, I'd be interested. When the story built a couple of years ago, it was easy to crosscheck the site against existing archaeological studies spanning some decades before his 'discovery.'

I could load up some refs, but it's easy enough to check out. I think he's in the same ball park as our 'starchild skull' friend. In spite of contradictory evidence from local, historic and scientific sources, he continues to insist that he alone has discovered something unusual.
 
Tellinger is right up there with Sitchin. Peas in a pod selling the same snake oil. Anunaki, Planet X, Nibiru etc etc. Even if they were to ever produce anything credible, their history of bunk is enough for people to simply ignore them.
 
Yeah, yer welcome but it does kinda smell like napalm in the morning… you know—like victory (?)…::)

I've always loved the smell of petroleum distillates. And I like explosions. I used to set off commercial fireworks until my sponsor, a licensed pyrotechnician, freaked out and wanted us all to wear asbestos suits. So, yeah. I think I could make the transition. Do I get to fly a helicopter???
 
Wow, it's getting harder and harder to decipher this shit. So are the ruins 10,000 years old or 160,000-200,000 years old as the article claims? Are there any verifiable sources other than this guy Tellinger? Who is Dan Eden?

Sorry, but I get confused pretty easily and I'd like to believe there's something more to reality than we get taught in history books. There's always at least 3 sides to every story (he said, she said and the truth.)

So can somebody please tell me WTF?
 
The dating is based solely on the idea that a rock formation found in the general area appears to be a 'Stonehenge type' of calendar and three of the rocks align, kind of, with what the Belt of Orion would have looked like 160-200,000 years ago. the article states, "Carbon-14 dating of such things as burnt wood introduces the possibility that the specimens could be from recent grass fires which are common in the area." then totally dismisses this in favor of the astronomical theory.

There is nothing that ties the actual formations to the 'calendar' and the formations themselves have not been dated using any known techniques, of which there are several choices. Essentially this guy has formulated a theory and has gone in search of evidence for it rather than finding evidence and trying to formulate a theory.

If hundreds of thousands of people lived in this area, they left behind more than just a few piles of rocks. A culture that big would have left behind evidence of fire, tools, utensils, pottery, human and animal remains, evidence of agriculture, wells, etc. none of which have been found. Of course, maybe no one has looked, but until they do, we don't have much in the way of archaeological evidence.

The dating of this site is pure conjecture and does not fit in with anything else we think we know about early Homo sapiens in Africa. Every time one of these 'discoveries' comes out someone says, "This new evidence will force us to completely re-evaluate the early history of mankind!"

No, it won't.
 
The stone formations are interesting indeed, but i wish there was more photographs of the site to get a clear understanding of the area.
 
I agree with Schuyler - it's too early to make any estimates and the more so claims about actual dating of this place but it does look peculiar from 1.6 km attitude:)

If someone would be able to find a wood tool in a strata, which corresponds to 200,000 BCE that would be great. But until then...

I find more productive to study throughly coasts and couple hundred meters in to the seas for evidence, which can reveal ancient civilizations presence. You see, first of all - it's way easier to date these kind of places because we can actually calculate when the sea level dropped in this particular place. And the second reason is more then 70% of the Earth population lives near water and I think it always has been the case.
 
ok, so whether you believe Sitchen et al, or not - does anyone have a better idea ??
I have read all Sitchen's books ( years ago ) and remember that after finishing I actually felt like it all made sense.
You can't grasp all of it until you read all the books. If nothing else it will make you think hard.
read 'em and come back - the books - not the PR stuff
 
If you take a look at the progress we've had in the last 4000 years, You could have had the rise and fall of humanity 50 times, in 200,000 years.

All it would have really taken was a natural catastrophe, or man made annihilation.

With the way we're going to an age of technology where everything is recyclable, as well as temporary, in a thousand years, nothing we have made would be left behind.

So, it's kind of plausible that any culture from let's say 200,000 years ago, could have had technology more advanced than ours, and none of it would be left behind.

I am not really sure what to think in regards to human history anymore. All things being what they are, we're having a hell of a time just making sense of TODAY'S culture.
 
ok, so whether you believe Sitchen et al, or not - does anyone have a better idea ??

Why is a 'better idea' necessary? We don't need to make anything up. There is no big mystery to solve. There is no evidence of a city with a population of 200,000 AT ALL except in the author's wild flight of fancy. Even if we back away from this particular issue to humanity in general there is no need to invoke space aliens or major world catastrophes, or ancient far-advanced civilizations to explain much of anything.

I firmly believe, based on the evidence I have, that there was a fairly well advanced civilization, localized near India and the Middle East, but not worldwide, about 14,000 years ago that got wiped out by 'the Flood.' I suspect they were near-Renaissance in their capabilities and understandings, but I see no evidence that they carried around iPhones. We've done chapter and verse on this stuff before. In the greater scheme of things, it didn't slow us down much.

However, the evidence we do have points to humanity's rise over a couple of million years, out of Africa (perhaps several times) and branching out over Europe and Asia. We have plenty of skeletal and other archaeological remains, all corroborated by genetic studies (a completely different field that just happens to agree in every detail with previous findings). Within this framework there is still plenty of room for 'mystery' in the form of Atlantean or proto-Egyptian civilizations, and these do not on any way contradict the broader picture I have outlined here. It still fits--quite nicely.

The last 4000 years seems like a gargantuan leap compared to the past, but that is not really the case. Take a look at Ray Kurzweil's "singularity' hypothesis for a statistical explanation: Wikimedia Error which is exactly what we have seen in the rise of civilization.
 
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