jratcliff63367
Skilled Investigator
I have had this idea off and on for a while about a show I would like to hear; either on the Paracast or the Culture of Contact either one.
I am fascinated by ideas surrounding the possible 'reality' behind the UFO. I'm long, long, long, past the point of needing proof about UFOs themselves. Like many, I am literally bored by sighting reports at this time.
What fascinates me is this question. Take any particular UFO case and ask yourself this. Where did the UFO originate from? Where did its occupants come from? Where was the UFO manufactured? On what assembly line?
In discussions on this topic, those of us who are trying to keep a rational point of view on this phenomenon, wisely respond to questions like this with the correct answer of simply "I don't know."
And, while that is a true, accurate, and reasonable response, what I would like to explore are theories and ideas about just what the answers could possibly be. Oh, sure, somebody might say 'time travelers' and 'extraterrestrials' and 'beings from another dimension' but we rarely go any further than that. Let's go further!!
I would love to hear an entire episode devoted to a panel discussion that really tried to explore these ideas in great detail.
Let us take a few very specific 'proven' UFO cases. For me, my favorite cases are Lonnie Zamora, or Mr. Symington's buckwheat pancake, or Fatima.
Given each individual case, just what possible theories and explanations might describe *all* of the facts of the matter. Not just 'some' of the facts, but every single one with not a single loose end. What theory encompasses that?
I would really love to hear an explanation that came from the perspective of the occupants themselves. I want to know their origin, their reality, their motives, agenda, etc.
I realize, of course, that all of this is just entirely pure bullshit guess work, but what a fascinating discussion that might be. What could be more interesting than that? Who wants to discuss the mind numbing details of yet another sighting event, told through the very limited amount of data we can access?
Are there frames of reference from other cultures and traditions that might begin to express the perspective of these encounters?
I have questions like this...
Have you ever heard those stories about how some people who take DMT sometimes see little gray aliens like alien abductees report?
Yeah, sounds interesting right?
What I really, really, really, want to know is has any alien abductee ever taken DMT and said, holy shit, that was the same fucker I saw on the spaceship!?? (Answer, to my knowledge, *no*)
Same thing for Persinger and his magical brain magnet horsecrap.
I'll believe that Persinger's magnetic sleep harness is an explanation for alien abductions when an alien abductee wears the harness and says, yep, that's exactly what happened to me.
Does anyone know of any fictional books ever written that really break new ground in exploring stories about the intelligence behind this phenomenon from the perspective of the intelligence behind this phenomenon?
Where do the alien abductors go to work? Where do they live, fuck, breath, sleep, play? Do they wake up in the morning? Do they have an experience in time and space?
Are UFOs manufactured technological objects, made in a factory, somewhere in time and space?
A few science fiction stories have attempted to spin their tales from the perspective the aliens themselves. Has anyone ever done the same thing trying to take the UFO phenomenon into account?
What I am particularly interested in is a story in which the author desperately tries to get as close to possible the *real* answer that encompasses every single aspect of high strangeness of each individual case.
I am not asking for theories that are a 'one size fits all' approach. I do not honestly believe that whatever happened at Fatima has much, if anything, to do with the Lonnie Zamora case.
However, on a case by case basis, I a would be very interested to hear some intelligent discussion and debate amongst a panel of open minded individuals some theories and ideas that might even begin to explain the origins of these incidents that would still embrace all elements of the drama.
To be honest, once you begin to explore Fortean phenomenon and once you begin to accept the fact that 'strange shit happens', you begin to realize that what we call 'reality' may, in fact, be a highly subjective thing that is nothing more than a convincing illusion held together by spit, string, and a general consensus that is often wobbling on a two legged stool.
John
I am fascinated by ideas surrounding the possible 'reality' behind the UFO. I'm long, long, long, past the point of needing proof about UFOs themselves. Like many, I am literally bored by sighting reports at this time.
What fascinates me is this question. Take any particular UFO case and ask yourself this. Where did the UFO originate from? Where did its occupants come from? Where was the UFO manufactured? On what assembly line?
In discussions on this topic, those of us who are trying to keep a rational point of view on this phenomenon, wisely respond to questions like this with the correct answer of simply "I don't know."
And, while that is a true, accurate, and reasonable response, what I would like to explore are theories and ideas about just what the answers could possibly be. Oh, sure, somebody might say 'time travelers' and 'extraterrestrials' and 'beings from another dimension' but we rarely go any further than that. Let's go further!!
I would love to hear an entire episode devoted to a panel discussion that really tried to explore these ideas in great detail.
Let us take a few very specific 'proven' UFO cases. For me, my favorite cases are Lonnie Zamora, or Mr. Symington's buckwheat pancake, or Fatima.
Given each individual case, just what possible theories and explanations might describe *all* of the facts of the matter. Not just 'some' of the facts, but every single one with not a single loose end. What theory encompasses that?
I would really love to hear an explanation that came from the perspective of the occupants themselves. I want to know their origin, their reality, their motives, agenda, etc.
I realize, of course, that all of this is just entirely pure bullshit guess work, but what a fascinating discussion that might be. What could be more interesting than that? Who wants to discuss the mind numbing details of yet another sighting event, told through the very limited amount of data we can access?
Are there frames of reference from other cultures and traditions that might begin to express the perspective of these encounters?
I have questions like this...
Have you ever heard those stories about how some people who take DMT sometimes see little gray aliens like alien abductees report?
Yeah, sounds interesting right?
What I really, really, really, want to know is has any alien abductee ever taken DMT and said, holy shit, that was the same fucker I saw on the spaceship!?? (Answer, to my knowledge, *no*)
Same thing for Persinger and his magical brain magnet horsecrap.
I'll believe that Persinger's magnetic sleep harness is an explanation for alien abductions when an alien abductee wears the harness and says, yep, that's exactly what happened to me.
Does anyone know of any fictional books ever written that really break new ground in exploring stories about the intelligence behind this phenomenon from the perspective of the intelligence behind this phenomenon?
Where do the alien abductors go to work? Where do they live, fuck, breath, sleep, play? Do they wake up in the morning? Do they have an experience in time and space?
Are UFOs manufactured technological objects, made in a factory, somewhere in time and space?
A few science fiction stories have attempted to spin their tales from the perspective the aliens themselves. Has anyone ever done the same thing trying to take the UFO phenomenon into account?
What I am particularly interested in is a story in which the author desperately tries to get as close to possible the *real* answer that encompasses every single aspect of high strangeness of each individual case.
I am not asking for theories that are a 'one size fits all' approach. I do not honestly believe that whatever happened at Fatima has much, if anything, to do with the Lonnie Zamora case.
However, on a case by case basis, I a would be very interested to hear some intelligent discussion and debate amongst a panel of open minded individuals some theories and ideas that might even begin to explain the origins of these incidents that would still embrace all elements of the drama.
To be honest, once you begin to explore Fortean phenomenon and once you begin to accept the fact that 'strange shit happens', you begin to realize that what we call 'reality' may, in fact, be a highly subjective thing that is nothing more than a convincing illusion held together by spit, string, and a general consensus that is often wobbling on a two legged stool.
John
