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A Win For Open (And Citizen) Science

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Christopher O'Brien

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[Its official: Ray Stanford's baby dinosaur find has been officially recognized as a new species of nodosaur. Ray's observational acuity is off the scale and he brings this sharp-eyed ability to bear on his favorite obsession: UFOs. His scientific presentation is almost complete and ready for review by the scientific community. --chris]


Propanoplosaurus Marylandicus: A Win For Open (And Citizen) Science

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In 1997 Ray Stanford, a citizen scientist dinosaur tracker who often spent time looking for fossils close to his Maryland home, was searching a creek bed after an extensive flood and discovered a fossil which he identified as a nodosaur.

Nodosaurs have been found in diverse locations worldwide, but they've rarely been found in the United States. The area had originally been a flood plain, where the dinosaur originally drowned and it was tiny - only 13 cm long, just shorter than the length of a dollar bill. Adult nodosaurs are estimated to have been 20 to 30 feet long.

Stanford called up David Weishampel, Ph.D., a professor of anatomy at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine who works as a paleontologist and expert in dinosaur systematics. Weishampel confirmed it was a nodosaur and research since then reveals it is the youngest nodosaur ever discovered, and a new genus and species, Propanoplosaurus marylandicus, that lived approximately 110 million years ago during the Early Cretaceous Era.

Weishampel and colleagues were able to confirm the fossil's identity as a nodosaur by identifying a distinctive pattern of bumps and grooves on the skull. They then did a computer analysis of the skull shape, comparing its proportions to those of ten skulls from different species of ankylosaurs, the group that contains nodosaurs. They found that this dinosaur was closely related to some of the nodosaur species, although it had a shorter snout overall than the others. Comparative measurements enabled them to designate the new species as Propanoplosaurus marylandicus. In addition to being the youngest nodosaur ever found, it is the first hatchling of any dinosaur species ever recovered in the eastern United States, says Weishampel.

Propanoplosaurus marylandicus.jpg

Propanoplosaurus marylandicus fossil. Credit: Ray Stanford

Cleaning the fossil revealed a hatchling nodosaur on its back, much of its body imprinted along with the top of its skull. Weishampel determined the dinosaur's age at time of death by analyzing the degree of development and articulation capability of the ends of the bones, as well as deducing whether the bones themselves were porous, as young bones would not be fully solid.

Weishampel used the position and quality of Propanoplosaurus marylandicus to deduce the dinosaur's method of death and preservation: drowning, and getting buried by sediment in the stream. Egg shells have never been found preserved in the vicinity, and by the layout of the bones and the size of some very small nodosaur footprints found nearby, led them to believe that the dinosaur was a hatchling, rather than an embryo, because it was able to walk independently.

"We didn't know much about hatchling nodosaurs at all prior to this discovery," says Weishampel. "And this is certainly enough to motivate more searches for dinosaurs in Maryland, along with more analysis of Maryland dinosaurs."

Stanford has donated Propanoplosaurus marylandicus to the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History, where it is now on display to the public and also available for research. The findings are published in the Journal of Paleontology.
 
Isn't this the guy that was derided by certain "skeptics" as being a woo woo? Forgive me if I'm wrong but it seems some folks here were all over him at one time. ;) Of course, it's kind of like the treatment of the late John Mack. He was brilliant as long as he stayed in the barn. But, a total whack job (according to some former supporters) once he strayed off the farm. 8)

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The above post does not mean the writer of said post is an endorser of the alien abduction or u.f.o. myth. Just sayin. ;)
 
People were all over him because he was claiming to have amazing evidence of UFOs but he's never shown it. His dinosaur stuff is something else and is, as shown above, excellent work.
 
But, doesn't his woo woo stuff put all the research he's ever done or ever will do into question? Or are the rules different if you agree with someone? :p I can't help it. Please don't put to much seriousness into a rebuttal. somedays I just love to go assbackards into stuff. :D Also, I haven't found to much in the forum the last few days that has really grabbed me. Oh well, I'm sure something will grab my passion soon. I'm just a little jaded to u.f.o. stuff right now and I have to admit The Paracast does the ufo thing well. It's not the show or the forums fault if the "field" has been mined to death.
 
People were all over him because he was claiming to have amazing evidence of UFOs but he's never shown it. His dinosaur stuff is something else and is, as shown above, excellent work.

there is a plethora of amazing UFO evidence out there. if he has evidence of an ET piloted air ship, that would be amazing.

i love fossils. I have a collection of fossils much older than dinosaur fossils... i have several cephalopods, gastropods, etc.. all collected right across the street from where i grew up.
 
But, doesn't his woo woo stuff put all the research he's ever done or ever will do into question? Or are the rules different if you agree with someone? :p I can't help it. Please don't put to much seriousness into a rebuttal. somedays I just love to go assbackards into stuff. :D Also, I haven't found to much in the forum the last few days that has really grabbed me. Oh well, I'm sure something will grab my passion soon. I'm just a little jaded to u.f.o. stuff right now and I have to admit The Paracast does the ufo thing well. It's not the show or the forums fault if the "field" has been mined to death.

I know you're joking, but I'll answer seriously. With his research on dinosaurs, he's proven his claims, so there should not be a problem - that's science.
It's his claims about UFOs that I wish he would show us - he seems to have some amazing footage apparently. He just refuses to show it and he easily flies off the handle.
 
On the ufo question I kind of lean toward Trained Observer on this subject. The military or black ops seems the most likely option to me. But, lately I have to admit I've given the spiritual or inner dimensional angle a bit of thought. I just haven't seen anything "solid" that makes me sympathetic to the nuts and bolts craft belief. then again I have to admit I haven't seen anything that really convinces me it's an inner experience either. Although I have had some dreams and other things that kind of point to an inner experience. But, that is to personal and not objective enough to call "solid evidence" for somebody else. The ancient sightings and questions are the only thing that really causes me any pause in calling it military or black ops of some kind.

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I'm sorry, I am in danger of hijacking this thread. I just started thinking and typing. :cool:
 
there is a plethora of amazing UFO evidence out there. if he has evidence of an ET piloted air ship, that would be amazing.

i love fossils. I have a collection of fossils much older than dinosaur fossils... i have several cephalopods, gastropods, etc.. all collected right across the street from where i grew up.

I agree that it would be amazing if he had photographic proof of it.

Fossils are cool.
 
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