Abduction and Reproduction

[Seth]

Many abductions involve reproductive or genetic scenarios. Abductees and researchers have suggested hybridization, scientific curiosity, world domination, emotional induction, and genetic collection among others, as possible reasons for this emphasis.

What are your thoughts on the prominence of reproduction and genetics in abductions?

 

[mike]

an excellent topic, i think the words "bio diversity" are as important from an ET pov as they are from a terrestrial one.
i recall one scientist describing the mapping of the human genome as the "holy grail".
playing with the building blocks of life iteslf seems to me to be the ultimate in research, and i dont imagine ET's being any different.
we ourselfs are discovering genes are a harvestable product.

as for the uses of such resources , well i once heard of an ET describe himself and his race as "Gardeners"

(from a book called conversations with peter)

 

[Frootloop]

Maybe the greys are the sceintists, we are the experiment and the Earth is a just a large (polluted) petri dish

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

We have too little information to know why people are abducted. It could be anything from a depth psychological phenomenon, which would indicate that people aren't actually abducted, to the theories of Jacobs and Hopkins, to Fowler or government psych-ops -- or something else as yet unmentioned.

Moreover, there are too many conflicting accounts of abduction experiences. After reading Jacobs' book "The Threat," I thought that he was right. Then I researched the subject more and learned that there are many cases that he doesn't discuss which do not seem related at all to the grand scheme as he and Hopkins see it.

I am also not impressed by J. Vallee's argument that the procedures involved in a typical abduction case serve no useful purpose and thus are absurd. In "Uninvited Guests," Richard Hall refutes this charge by arguing that cultural, technological, and biological differences between humans and "them" would pose a significant barrier to our understanding of the phenomenon. I think it's called the incommensurability problem. Considering this problem, abductions could seem absurd to us though practical for those conducting them. In my view, no one has adequately refuted this argument.

Ritzmann says that it's a "negative phenomenon" and likens the abducting entities to demons. I have also heard him say that the phenomenon is whatever the experiencer percieves it to be. Clearly these two ideas are in conflict. If I am a so-called experiencer and percieve the abduction to be a "positive phenomenon," whatever the heck that means, then it cannot by definition be a negative phenomenon as he describes. Ritzmann, if you are reading this, I would ask you to clarify your position on this, if you care enough to. You should choose one or the other. Either it's a negative phenomenon and they're like demons, or it's an entirely subjective experience that we do not and perhaps cannot understand. It cannot be both.

I like Fowler's "Watchers" idea, but I do not like all of the religious implications that follow it.

 

[mike]

perhaps they are just making wildlife docos like the late lamented steve irwin aka the wildlife worrier.

"and here we have a human, now they can be very dangerous, and if it wasnt for the magic blue light, he'd probibily attack us right now.
crikey lets get him back to his bed before he wakes up."

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

You know, Mike, even though you made your comment in jest, it's actually a pretty fascinating idea.

"And now we're gonna zap this one here's prostate to get a sample of his sperm. There it is, into the cup we go. We do this to all of the members of his family to observe subtle changes in the DNA over extended times. This will give us some idea of what the humans are evolving into."

"There it is, look at that freakish monstrocity. What we've done here is combined some of our own DNA with the human's to produce a wonderful new pet for you space kiddies watching the program. Humans play catch, wrestle, and they'll even try to communicate with you in their own vastly inferior though extremely cute way."

"And for you meat eaters out there, terrerstrial human brain makes a wonderful dish, whether baked, fried, boiled, or barbecued, and it even comes in its own ready-made bowl. We've got one here prepared for you already. Who wants to try a sample of this?"

"We stick this little tag in the human's nose so that we can find him easily next time we come back. This one's called Whitley Strieber. He writes these endearing documents called 'books' for his fellow humans to read. In fact, lots of our test subjects have written these. Here's a classic the humans call "The Holy Bible." Listen here, they call us God and say that we love, nurture, and watch over them all of their lives, and, get this, they even think that they are going to our planet after they die! It's a riot!"