Abductions and implants

[Kevin Daly]

Merry Christmas (and any other seasonal feasts which may apply) folks.

It's random speculation time again...

There have been several proposed explanations put forward for the alleged implants allegedly found in some alleged abductees, ranging from tracking or control devices to nothing much at all (I don't know if anyone's suggested "Doomsday Device", so you can have that one for free if not).
Anyway, here's one for you: if we accept for the sake of argument the possibility that abductions are not about anything the visitors need from us (I don't seriously believe they need human genetic material, for example - if they have a use for it, by now they should be able to whip up as much as they need in the lab), then the experience itself may embody its own reason for being...in which case, perhaps one purpose of the implants is to induce abduction experiences: you find a suitable human, you bag 'em and tag 'em and then induce subsequent experiences from the comfort of wherever the hell it is our little friends like to hang out. That would at least be consistent with the odd mix of occasional physical traces and genuinely anomalous phenomena with reported abductions that don't seem to correlate with an actual absence of the person from where they are supposed to be. In other words, it would provide a mechanism whereby someone could have a genuine abduction experience without anyone noticing anything untoward...I leave it up to you to decide whether such a mechanism is required by the facts. Such experiences if they occur would certainly muddy the waters, because they'd have at least something in common with suggestions implanted by careless use of hypnotic regression. Can you imagine trying to get to the bottom of that mess? The line between "real" and "unreal" experiences could be uncomfortably muddy.

 

[Kevin Daly]

I'm replying to myself, which is a bit sad, but then so's having to work on a beautiful summer's day like today...but I digress.
I've been thinking further on this subject, and it strikes me that not only is it reasonable to consider the possibility that many abduction experiences are induced, possibly with the aid of devices implanted during a previous physical abduction, but I'm leaning more and more towards the idea that the abduction experience is, like torture, primarily a control mechanism: its purpose would then be to shape a perception of the intruders and their capabilities (I don't want to come over all Jacobsy, but I wouldn't argue with the idea that an abduction is a kind of theatrical event that bears the producers' message, and that message is "resistance is futile"). The impression conveyed by abductions is leaking virally into our culture - people don't take it seriously, but they know a certain number of things they are supposed to take for granted if it turns out to be true.
So I think in my paranoid moments (um, that would be most of them) that the human race is being subjected to a bit of NLP. The Others are by that paranoid assessment in the process of framing our reaction to them. There won't be any "disclosure" until us monkeys have been properly trained - can I call Greer a "fifth-columnist" now? No particular reason, I've just always wanted to call somebody that.

PS. the aforementioned paranoid interpretation only really makes sense if another one of my random bits of speculation turns out to be accurate - namely that they don't have a nifty interstellar drive and so took a long time to get here and can't necessarily return home or go somewhere else, in which case the stakes for them are very high.

PPS. If all that's true I'm prepared to accept that yes they would have an interest in our nuclear weapons, which would otherwise seem like small potatoes.

 

[Ally]

So you don't have to respond to yourself a third tiime I think your speculations have some merit.

Do you think the implants cause some sort of virtual reality simulation from a distance that is programed? What about the physical marks that happen to people frequently?

The implants could be used to control and tag us but it also might be a way for them to enter into our reality or us into their's. I still think IMO that "they" are interested in genetic material for whatever reason.

 

[0uterj0in]

The experiences do seem to be finely calibrated for optimal muddiness. Just clear enough to lure us into the water, muddy enough to frustrate scientific measurment, but not too muddy to disregard as nonsense.

 

[skunkape]

The experiences do seem to be finely calibrated for optimal muddiness. Just clear enough to lure us into the water, muddy enough to frustrate scientific measurment, but not too muddy to disregard as nonsense.

Dead on, brother. It can be frustrating if you let it.
I know beyond any doubt that the implant phenomenon is real. Many of them glow under a blacklight. I have a hunch that some may not be 'implanted' so much as assembled from endogenous materials in some non-intrusive way.
Here's a helpful hint for cattle farmers with a 'mutie' problem. Check your stock with a blacklight. If you find one with strange glowing marks, go ahead and put it in the freezer before it gets juiced and cored by who knows what.

 

[0uterj0in]

I have a hunch that some may not be 'implanted' so much as assembled from endogenous materials in some non-intrusive way.

Fascinating. I'm picturing resourceful nanobots scavenging the host body for the raw materials needed to fabricate whatever it is an implant might actually be. Could a radio transceiver or a transistor be formed from elements in your body?

In my own simulist view of this, I see the implants functioning like metadata tags that enable efficient searching for specific abductees/mutilatees within the set of all animals in the simulation.

 

[skunkape]

Could a radio transceiver or a transistor be formed from elements in your body?

Short answer, yeah. The process may not even require physical nanobots. I'm leaning towards a technology that that manipulates matter at an atomic level with harmonic/vibrational gee-gaws.

 

[Kevin Daly]

So you don't have to respond to yourself a third tiime I think your speculations have some merit.

Do you think the implants cause some sort of virtual reality simulation from a distance that is programed? What about the physical marks that happen to people frequently?

The implants could be used to control and tag us but it also might be a way for them to enter into our reality or us into their's. I still think IMO that "they" are interested in genetic material for whatever reason.

I'm toying with a "have-your-cake-and-eat-it" scenario, where actual physical abduction is not excluded but is not always required. So the scrapers and scoopers are not excluded (although we need to be careful not to underestimate the amount of wear and tear the human body picks up in the normal course of events).

About genetic material: they might be interested in it (I have my doubts as I said, but obviously I don't know), or they might want us to believe that they are interested in it, or those details might be subconsciously supplied by the abductee because it's the kind of thing we expect - if implants can induce experiences, part of it might be along the lines of "fill in suitable stuff here".
I can't help the feeling there's an element of charade in their behaviour - take the Hill case: believable in many ways but parts defy credulity, such as a "pregnancy test" that's primitive even by our standards. I think that was done to get us thinking along certain lines.
I'll toss out another wild speculation while I'm at it: if implants can induce abduction experiences (and possibly other kinds of experiences), can they do so to people in the vicinity other than the implanted individual? If we had reliable criteria for distinguishing bona fide abductees from fantasists and hoaxers it would be interesting to plot their distribution - would it start to look like a broadcast network?

 

[Kevin Daly]

I know beyond any doubt that the implant phenomenon is real. Many of them glow under a blacklight. I have a hunch that some may not be 'implanted' so much as assembled from endogenous materials in some non-intrusive way.

That could be a good way of avoiding triggering the body's immune system without suppressing it, which is a reasonable technology for a civilisation even a little more advanced than ours to develop.

 

[Gil Bavel]

Dead on, brother. It can be frustrating if you let it.
I know beyond any doubt that the implant phenomenon is real. Many of them glow under a blacklight. I have a hunch that some may not be 'implanted' so much as assembled from endogenous materials in some non-intrusive way.

I tell you what, it hurts like hell when they stick 'em so hard up your nose that it cracks through the sinus cavity wall... They do lodge them up near the brain, so the theory about virtual reality scenarios is possible... Karla Turner talked about VRS a lot, and even backed it up with a case file that contained one.

However--unless Jim Sparks is on to something with his teaching/lessons thing--and that's saying a lot--abducting us to implant VRS inducers would be super-redundant.

Which, you know, doesn't mean that aliens wouldn't do it, they're pretty damn inscrutable already. But if it really is as stupid as we are by performing the same old vivisection on the same old bunny rabbits and frogs, then it could be something as meaningless as science field trips. The tall greys are the adult teachers, the short greys are the student children, and they're simply going through exobiology 101.

Pretty standard, right?

 

[Ally]

Short answer, yeah. The process may not even require physical nanobots. I'm leaning towards a technology that that manipulates matter at an atomic level with harmonic/vibrational gee-gaws.

OOOMMMMMMM!! Ok if so could abductees tone themselve's out of an experience or set up an interference vibration? All of you musicians/abductees need ot get together and figure out the anti abduction tone and make a Cd.

Anyway back to reality ha ha.

 

[Noanswers]

I would like to propose another idea, not to in any way dispute the idea that the thing in some sort of cognative remote control, but just another possibility.
What if they are not meant to do anything? Instead of the mechanism and it's utility being the end goal, the goal is the placing into the collective thinking of humanity that these "things" are out there and can manipulate us to the degree of placing foreign objects within our core's (bodies). That of course begs the question: what is the end goal under this scenario? Your guess is as good as mine.
After having looked at this for some thirty years, the one aspect of this phenomena I feel like I do understand is just how manipulative and deceptive it is. "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. . ." simply doesn't seem to apply where UFOs and their occupants are concerned.
Think about hypnosis for a moment, where abduction is concerned. These things can, in various cases, move at lightning speed, float through the air, materialize and dematerialize, slip through solid walls. . .etc. Very complicated stuff indeed. Yet along comes Bud Hopkins and others (with all due respect to Hopkins, I think he's a straight guy) with a swinging pocket watch and the whole "mind erasing" aspect of the abduction falls apart like a house of cards. It just doesn't seem logical. . .they want the erasure to be overcome. Again, it may be more important to insert the idea that they can grab people and do what they will and erase part of the experience than actually do anything concrete.
I'm really coming around to the idea that this whole friggin thing is some form of performance art, intended to shape perception far more than to do anything else.
Sorry, ramblings of tired man on his first cup of coffee.

 

[Kevin Daly]

I'm really coming around to the idea that this whole friggin thing is some form of performance art, intended to shape perception far more than to do anything else.

I think you definitely have a point about performance art. I think shaping perception is exactly what's going on...although probably (?) not as an end in itself, but as a means towards some other end. They want us to believe that certain things are happening, and they want us to believe certain things about their capabilities relative to ours, whether or not they are strictly true.

By the way, if a reasonable proportion of abductions are "virtual" as I speculated, there is less need to take things like walking through walls at face value (I'm not excluding them, just saying that we can't be sure what's real and what's a manipulated perception).

 

[0uterj0in]

if a reasonable proportion of abductions are "virtual" as I speculated, there is less need to take things like walking through walls at face value (I'm not excluding them, just saying that we can't be sure what's real and what's a manipulated perception).

My sentiments exactly. Try this: read any abduction account as if the experiencer were the inhabitant of a virtual reality simulation, and see if it makes more sense.

 

[trilithium]

I tell you what, it hurts like hell when they stick 'em so hard up your nose that it cracks through the sinus cavity wall... They do lodge them up near the brain, so the theory about virtual reality scenarios is possible... Karla Turner talked about VRS a lot, and even backed it up with a case file that contained one.

However--unless Jim Sparks is on to something with his teaching/lessons thing--and that's saying a lot--abducting us to implant VRS inducers would be super-redundant.

Which, you know, doesn't mean that aliens wouldn't do it, they're pretty damn inscrutable already. But if it really is as stupid as we are by performing the same old vivisection on the same old bunny rabbits and frogs, then it could be something as meaningless as science field trips. The tall greys are the adult teachers, the short greys are the student children, and they're simply going through exobiology 101.

Pretty standard, right?

I think this is a very plausible hypothesis. I can think of nothing else that makes as much sense except "they" are manipulating Our DNA for some reason, to harvest their results in the future.

 

[Tommy Allison]

I think Implants are a tether to their version of reality.

If you have an anomalous object in your body that gives off a radio signal, or a magnetic signature, what purpose in nature would it serve?

None.

Some of the people who have had these things removed had all kinds of issues with their health prior to having the implants removed.

Someone once posted that in order to truly get an accurate reading on one of these, that the person who the implant resided in, would have to be put inside a Faraday cage in order to ensure that the signals weren't coming from other things.

I would love to have some X-rays done of my skull and various other parts to see whether or not I have anything like that in me. I've got about a half dozen or so marks that I can't explain.

 

[0uterj0in]

Speaking of alien implants

"As a T4 virus assembles itself inside its host, the motor's lower ring attaches to a strand of viral DNA, while the upper ring holds onto the virus' head. The upper and lower rings contract and release, alternately tugging at the DNA like a ring of hands pulling on a rope. [...] Once the DNA gets tugged inside the capsid, the motor falls off and a virus tail attaches to the capsid. Now the virus can escape its host, killing it in the process, and seek out another E. coli cell. "The tail is another machine which is necessary for the virus to infect the next host," Rossmann told LiveScience. "The tail is used to puncture and to digest the cell wall of the next cell to be infected."

 

[skunkape]

I would love to have some X-rays done of my skull and various other parts to see whether or not I have anything like that in me. I've got about a half dozen or so marks that I can't explain.

If you find something, it will be gone the next morning. Betcha a dollar. The implant thing is real. I've seen it. Whatever is behind it possesses amazing stealth. That's all I've gathered after much snooping.

 

[Aeolus-14-Umbra]

I think multiple "species" of extraterrestrial beings are interacting with humans; so there might not be just one purpose behind implants. But at a minimum, they likely serve as a tracking device. It's also possible that the implants continuously collect data about human subjects and transmit this information to the E.T.s.

Don't we do the same general thing to wild animals that we study?