Airforce Captain says this possibly could be a real photo of a grey

[Lavarat]

[size=large]The following set of photos were in James Fox's "50 years of denial" video and reportedly Robert Collins former Airforce Captain and insider claims could possibly be a real gray.

Notice the bruising
and how the neck is twisted as if it was sideways at one time[/size].

http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/three_second_eben.htm

 

[Lavarat]

I am not saying I 100% I believe its the real thing, I just thought I would post it to bring on some discussion.

I am sure David and Gene or others probably already know about this photo from Richard Collins Book.

 

[Miah]

It sure looks cool, fun to think what if it is the real, are we finally looking at a real Grey?

But alas, that just never seems to happen, and this is more likely a fraud.

Would love to hear some more insight on these from the pros.

 

[Lavarat]

It sure looks cool, fun to think what if it is the real, are we finally looking at a real Grey?

But alas, that just never seems to happen, and this is more likely a fraud.

Would love to hear some more insight on these from the pros.

I agree< I AM IMPRESSED OVERALL WITH THESE PHOTOS
THE BOOK

EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE IS FROM :ROBERT COLLINS

YOU CAN GOOGLE it and find out more info


THESE PICS LOOK GREAT

HMMMMM

 

[Ron Collins]

This is the Richard Doty guy isn't it? Isn't there just oodles and gobs of controversy surrounding this guy? Very interesting though. I have seen the image several times but I have no idea where it comes from or the history behind it.

 

[dorkbot]

According to this site the photo in question first appeared "in an issue of the Stargate Newsletter, Number 9 February-March 1997 Published by Stargate International (no longer in existence)"

Robert O. Dean is said to be the source of the photo and says that it was given to him by another UFO investigator at a UFO conference in Mexico City in 1994. Greg Bishop recently related the story as the photo being handed to Dean "by a man representing himself as a Mexican policeman." This version seems at odds with Dean's original published statement as to the source.

Various internet discussions I've read about this photo say it is allegedly of an alien from the 1974 Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico crash although I've not seen any citations for the origination of the story that links this photo to that crash story. I'd be interested in finding out what the official version of all the details surrounding the photo are supposed to be and cited sources for such.

Presumably Dean still has the original print that was given to him so it sure would be nice to get a proper high resolution scan of the print. I wonder why nobody has bothered to do this yet. Also, I know Dean's credibility in general seems to be rather suspect but I'm not sure how he would have been perceived in 1994 in Mexico as a likely candidate to either hand a genuine photo or to be used to propagate a hoax photo.

It's another anonymous photo for which, as Deckard pointed out in the other alien photo thread, we have nothing to reference against.

Personally, I will say that of all the supposed gray photos out there, this is the only one that has ever given me pause and given me the sense that I might actually be looking at an organic creature. If it is a hoax photo of a model it is a far more convincing job than I've ever seen in any Hollywood film and I hope the artist is not languishing in unpaid obscurity somewhere. If it is a model then to my knowledge no one has yet claimed responsibility for it or conclusively shown it to be a prop from a museum or film.

Most of the copies I've seen are closeup headshots like Lavarat posted above. This copy is the largest I've seen as it includes the chest. It seems apparent that even this is a cropped photo so I'd also be curious to know if Dean's original was a square print or cropped. If it was a square print, why was it cropped and what was omitted?

Dean's credibility aside, I'd challenge anyone to present a photo of a gray from any source (Hollywood film prop, pure CGI, etc.) that looks better than this.

 

[Ron Collins]

Dean's credibility aside, I'd challenge anyone to present a photo of a gray from any source (Hollywood film prop, pure CGI, etc.) that looks better than this.

Okay, for the sake of argument, I offer the following.

1 - This one has always creeped me out.

2 - I cant tell you how many times I have been shown this image as "proof". Personally, it looks lame.

3 - I think thise one is good. The fungus/burn stuff looks good. I think this was for a movie or something. Not sure.

4 - Not sure where these come from. To be honest it is the first time I have ever seen them. (found them in about 10 minutes on yahoo image search)

5 - Awesome! I really want to see this in person.

Not sure if any of these are as convicning but they are worth consideration. (with the possible exception of #2)

 

[dorkbot]

My opinion:

1. Streiber's statements aside, I've never found this to feel convincing. It always just intuitively struck me as a photoshop job from the minute I saw it.

4. The top headshot is pretty nice work but even though it is far more detailed for some reason it doesn't deliver the same kind of impact that Dean's photo does.

5. No offense but are you serious? That looks like hard molded plastic to me.

It just occurred to me that I sort of want a photoshop competition to create the most realistic looking alien but not necessarily restricted to the grays. I don't think I would judge it purely on apparent visual realism but more on perceived visceral impact.

 

[Lavarat]

According to this site the photo in question first appeared "in an issue of the Stargate Newsletter, Number 9 February-March 1997 Published by Stargate International (no longer in existence)"

Robert O. Dean is said to be the source of the photo and says that it was given to him by another UFO investigator at a UFO conference in Mexico City in 1994. Greg Bishop recently related the story as the photo being handed to Dean "by a man representing himself as a Mexican policeman." This version seems at odds with Dean's original published statement as to the source.

Various internet discussions I've read about this photo say it is allegedly of an alien from the 1974 Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico crash although I've not seen any citations for the origination of the story that links this photo to that crash story. I'd be interested in finding out what the official version of all the details surrounding the photo are supposed to be and cited sources for such.

Presumably Dean still has the original print that was given to him so it sure would be nice to get a proper high resolution scan of the print. I wonder why nobody has bothered to do this yet. Also, I know Dean's credibility in general seems to be rather suspect but I'm not sure how he would have been perceived in 1994 in Mexico as a likely candidate to either hand a genuine photo or to be used to propagate a hoax photo.

It's another anonymous photo for which, as Deckard pointed out in the other alien photo thread, we have nothing to reference against.

Personally, I will say that of all the supposed gray photos out there, this is the only one that has ever given me pause and given me the sense that I might actually be looking at an organic creature. If it is a hoax photo of a model it is a far more convincing job than I've ever seen in any Hollywood film and I hope the artist is not languishing in unpaid obscurity somewhere. If it is a model then to my knowledge no one has yet claimed responsibility for it or conclusively shown it to be a prop from a museum or film.

Most of the copies I've seen are closeup headshots like Lavarat posted above. This copy is the largest I've seen as it includes the chest. It seems apparent that even this is a cropped photo so I'd also be curious to know if Dean's original was a square print or cropped. If it was a square print, why was it cropped and what was omitted?

Dean's credibility aside, I'd challenge anyone to present a photo of a gray from any source (Hollywood film prop, pure CGI, etc.) that looks better than this.

I agree with you Deans credibility is an issue.

Your right that this should be looked into further. If it was a hoax or doll than were else did it appear in what movie etc!

This photo should be analyzed alot, by an expert.