"Alien" Technology

[gerasmus]

I was wondering what all you out there would think of 'alien' technology ?
Who 50 years ago would've been able to imagine any of the technology we have today, multi-core CPU's, just imagine for yourself what we have today. Yes, 50 years ago people was also using bread toasters...

I was thinking back 20 years ago (when I was using a Commodore 64).
I could never imagine that my C64 (or Amiga 1200 for that matter) would be emulated in a mobile phone, or that my CV would be more kb than my C64's memory ! If I have 4000x the amount of memory and CPU power in my current machine, CPU power 20 years from now would almost be unimagineable. Optical computers with some sort of holographic memory perhaps, 10Tb of memory. Games that are indistinguishable from real life people ?! And babes would still be hot !

Technology, if it is even 20 or 30 years ahead of what have have today would be 'alien' to us. It's just hard to imagine technology (if humans are still around by then) 100 years ahead into the future.

My questionis, if earth is being visted by (non-)human intelligence (from this earth, the future, another dimension or wherever) and 'their' technolgy is even a 100 years ahead of our current I'm sure that it would seem amazing to us. Would we even be able to understand or comprehend the technology, let alone figure out how to operate/use it ?

 

[gerasmus]

And just to add...

What would you imagine would be 100 years ahead of us ? Would a kid born this year live to experience FTL drive or fusion energy ???

I read a series books by Peter F Hamilton - "Judas Unchained" and "Pandora's Star", set 1500 years into the future. The tech used in the book was mind boggling but believeable.. Sentient and semi-organic starships with ship and captain 'born' in symbiosis, FTL travel, morphing ships and metal, galactic neural network, transfer of consiousness to a Sentient Intelligence, no one dies and no one ages and loads more stuff in the book as well as a very clever plot. I'm think the author got his ideas from reading accounts of UFO experiencers.

BTW, I found The paracast only about 1,5 months ago and I'm catching up on all the episodes, currently 0n 04/06/2007 - still more than 2 years to catch up. But I'm doing 1 episode per day... so slowly getting there !

 

[David Biedny]

BTW, I found The paracast only about 1,5 months ago and I'm catching up on all the episodes, currently 0n 04/06/2007 - still more than 2 years to catch up. But I'm doing 1 episode per day... so slowly getting there !

OMG... you have my condolences, and remember, you can't take enough aspirin to deal with the migraines.

dB

 

[DrLogic]

Dont worry your not alone, Mr Bill Gates himself said that a computer would never need more than, was 128kb of ram? David could probably clarify that anecdote At the time he obviously also didnt envisage the ram eating monster (with a web browser) we like to call Vista

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Dont worry your not alone, Mr Bill Gates himself said that a computer would never need more than, was 128kb of ram? David could probably clarify that anecdote At the time he obviously also didnt envisage the ram eating monster (with a web browser) we like to call Vista

When has Gates ever made any prediction that was accurate?

 

[DrLogic]

When has Gates ever made any prediction that was accurate?

Well...um..how about when he's done presentations and gotten the blue sceen of death, it was honest at least

 

[Xylo]

My questionis, if earth is being visted by (non-)human intelligence (from this earth, the future, another dimension or wherever) and 'their' technolgy is even a 100 years ahead of our current I'm sure that it would seem amazing to us. Would we even be able to understand or comprehend the technology, let alone figure out how to operate/use it ?

I think not. I believe that IF the incident at Roswell actually produced some debris, it will only be unclassified in the event that the technology within could be understood and replicated.

I would think that the propulsion systems alone would be so far advanced that we won't have any idea hot to approach their study. As for computers...well, I doubt we humans have enough computing power on earth to compare with what is in any type of craft that can navigate through star systems, or dimensional hyperspace.

Give an AM radio to Socrates, or a cruise missile to Ghengis Khan...they're not going to figure it out. I think we're that far behind.

 

[Bixyboo]

I was wondering what all you out there would think of 'alien' technology ?
Who 50 years ago would've been able to imagine any of the technology we have today, multi-core CPU's, just imagine for yourself what we have today. Yes, 50 years ago people was also using bread toasters...

I was thinking back 20 years ago (when I was using a Commodore 64).
I could never imagine that my C64 (or Amiga 1200 for that matter) would be emulated in a mobile phone, or that my CV would be more kb than my C64's memory ! If I have 4000x the amount of memory and CPU power in my current machine, CPU power 20 years from now would almost be unimagineable. Optical computers with some sort of holographic memory perhaps, 10Tb of memory. Games that are indistinguishable from real life people ?! And babes would still be hot !

Technology, if it is even 20 or 30 years ahead of what have have today would be 'alien' to us. It's just hard to imagine technology (if humans are still around by then) 100 years ahead into the future.

My questionis, if earth is being visted by (non-)human intelligence (from this earth, the future, another dimension or wherever) and 'their' technolgy is even a 100 years ahead of our current I'm sure that it would seem amazing to us. Would we even be able to understand or comprehend the technology, let alone figure out how to operate/use it ?[/QUOTE]

I think it'd probably be just too advanced for us to figure anything out about it....imho.

 

[Jose Collado]

VHS was an alien technology. BETA, although superior, was suppressed by the NWO in order to introduce VHS players into every home. I bet the majority of UFO contactees in the 80's had a VHS player in their home. Coincidence? I think not!

On a more serious note. If we were to stumble across advanced alien technology, I don't think we'd be capable of understanding it unless it follows suit with out own. Even their basic technology could potentially be so different to our own that we'd be left scratching our heads. Imagine giving an electric toothbrush to a cave man and asking him to reverse engineer it.

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

I was wondering what all you out there would think of 'alien' technology ?
Who 50 years ago would've been able to imagine any of the technology we have today, multi-core CPU's, just imagine for yourself what we have today. Yes, 50 years ago people was also using bread toasters...

I was thinking back 20 years ago (when I was using a Commodore 64).
I could never imagine that my C64 (or Amiga 1200 for that matter) would be emulated in a mobile phone, or that my CV would be more kb than my C64's memory ! If I have 4000x the amount of memory and CPU power in my current machine, CPU power 20 years from now would almost be unimagineable. Optical computers with some sort of holographic memory perhaps, 10Tb of memory. Games that are indistinguishable from real life people ?! And babes would still be hot !

Technology, if it is even 20 or 30 years ahead of what have have today would be 'alien' to us. It's just hard to imagine technology (if humans are still around by then) 100 years ahead into the future.

My questionis, if earth is being visted by (non-)human intelligence (from this earth, the future, another dimension or wherever) and 'their' technolgy is even a 100 years ahead of our current I'm sure that it would seem amazing to us. Would we even be able to understand or comprehend the technology, let alone figure out how to operate/use it ?

The Apple I's chip from 1976 operated at about 1 mhz. 23 years later my dual quad core system has 8 cores all running at 2.6 gigahertz! Check out the chart below:

As for how alien tech might look and work, I have thought about that myself a lot. That's part of the reason why I have problems with UFO's as huge metal flying saucers since it's such a late 20th century, brute force, way of looking at things.

Within the next hundred years or so even us puny humans will likely have developed cybernetic brain enhancements, mastery of DNA and genetics, instrumentationless vehicles, widely exotic substances that can be invisible, vastly more ultralight and ultra strong, self-modifying materials, nano sized machines, strong general AI computers etc.

Looking further we may have such magical stuff as nano-particle utility fog, pico-scale engineering, conciousness uploaded into AI computers etc.

So given what just the next 200 years for us might mean, it's damn hard to imagine what minds that are higher up on the ladder might be able to do. It could make us look like ants in comparison.

And who's to say that they are necessarily the big boys on the block? Perhaps they themselves are just "average" compared to other godlike intelligences out there.

Assuming that they/it use advanced technology in the sense that we do, I'm thinking its likely they might have long since forgone organic bodies or defined self-indentities. Why experience the universe in frail, vulnerable little bodies when you have the universe at your feet? Why use spaceships to move your organic bodies through the atmosphere (crashing in New Mexico, no less) when tiny probes could carry limitless versions of your immortal consciousness throughout space and time and recreate, on the fly, whatever physicality you choose to express yourself as.

We don't even know for sure that advanced intelligences would be obsessed with exploration and contact the way we are. Why do we assume they would not simply retreat to whatever realm they evolved from and simply spend eternity pondering the universe in simulated or incomprehensible forms of reality. Perhaps for them the ultimate journey is not into space but inward, to deeper levels of understanding or perhaps they seek to explore and master the foamy bubbles of the multi-verse and our own universe is no longer a challenge to them.

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

I was wondering what all you out there would think of 'alien' technology ?
Who 50 years ago would've been able to imagine any of the technology we have today, multi-core CPU's, just imagine for yourself what we have today. Yes, 50 years ago people was also using bread toasters...

I was thinking back 20 years ago (when I was using a Commodore 64).
I could never imagine that my C64 (or Amiga 1200 for that matter) would be emulated in a mobile phone, or that my CV would be more kb than my C64's memory ! If I have 4000x the amount of memory and CPU power in my current machine, CPU power 20 years from now would almost be unimagineable. Optical computers with some sort of holographic memory perhaps, 10Tb of memory. Games that are indistinguishable from real life people ?! And babes would still be hot !

Technology, if it is even 20 or 30 years ahead of what have have today would be 'alien' to us. It's just hard to imagine technology (if humans are still around by then) 100 years ahead into the future.

My questionis, if earth is being visted by (non-)human intelligence (from this earth, the future, another dimension or wherever) and 'their' technolgy is even a 100 years ahead of our current I'm sure that it would seem amazing to us. Would we even be able to understand or comprehend the technology, let alone figure out how to operate/use it ?

Yea it's crazy - the Apple I's chip from 1976 operated at about 1 mhz. 23 years later my dual quad core system has 8 cores all running at 2.6 gigahertz! Check out the chart below:

As for how alien tech might look and work, I have thought about that myself a lot. That's part of the reason why I have problems with UFO's as huge metal flying saucers since it's such a late 20th century, brute force, way of looking at things.

Within the next hundred years or so even us puny humans will likely have developed cybernetic brain enhancements, mastery of DNA and genetics, instrumentationless vehicles, widely exotic substances that can be invisible, vastly more ultralight and ultrastrong, self-modifying materials, nano sized machines, strong general AI computers etc.

Looking further we may have such magical stuff as nano-particle utility fog, pico-scale engineering, conciousness uploaded into AI computers etc.

So given what just the next 200 years for us might mean, it's damn hard to imagine what minds that are higher up on the ladder might be able to do. It's cliched but true - even a few thousands years beyond us would make us look like ants in comparison.

And who's to say that they are necessarily the big boys on the block? Perhaps they themselves are just "average" compared to other godlike intelligences out there. Or perhaps the uber kings of the hill will be us one day in the distant future - hey it's gotta be somebody!

Assuming that they/it use advanced technology in the sense that we do, I'm thinking its likely they might have long since forgone organic bodies or defined self-indentities. Why experience the universe in frail, vulnerable little bodies when you have the universe at your feet? Why use spaceship to move your organic bodies through the atmosphere when tiny probes could carry limitless versions of your consciousness throughout space and time and recreate, on the fly, whatever physicality you choose to express yourself as.

We don't even know for sure that advanced intelligences would be obsessed with exploration and contact the way we are. Why do we assume they would not simply retreat to whatever realm they evolved from and simply spend eternity pondering the universe in simulated or incomprehensible forms of reality.

 

[DrLogic]

Assuming that they/it use advanced technology in the sense that we do, I'm thinking its likely they might have long since forgone organic bodies or defined self-indentities. Why experience the universe in frail, vulnerable little bodies when you have the universe at your feet? Why use spaceship to move your organic bodies through the atmosphere when tiny probes could carry limitless versions of your consciousness throughout space and time and recreate, on the fly, whatever physicality you choose to express yourself as.

We don't even know for sure that advanced intelligences would be obsessed with exploration and contact the way we are. Why do we assume they would not simply retreat to whatever realm they evolved from and simply spend eternity pondering the universe in simulated or incomprehensible forms of reality.

I think statistical analysis would be of great interest here. In discussion it’s a natural tendency to mix singular and plural definitions for ET's.

I.e. Are we talking about:

* The race from which a particular 'ship' has visited
* The individual who commands that vessel
* The potential billions of civilized races that could/would/cant visit
* The potential trillions of civilized individuals that could/would/cant visit

So quite often people might strongly disagree only because they are looking at the topic from entirely different perspectives.

The last one in that list interests me the most as one could argue that if superluminal travel of some description is possible, then arguably the number of people able to visit far outweigh the number of potential destinations.

In that respect it’s near enough impossible to attribute a 'way of life' to the potentials because there are far too many individuals involved to make any generalisations wrt motive.

 

[gerasmus]

When I was reading and listening about the reports of people obeserving 'physical' craft, and as said on the Paracast, we don't even know if it really is physical.Maybe the intelligences are so advanced that they can let us perceive what we would think is a craft.

I was also thinking that if earth was receiving visitation from 'aliens', maybe those entities that appear are of the 'lower' in the realm. We would probably never know, but I can't imagine why an entity that could be millions or billions of years ahead of us in tech and spiritual bother with humans. They'd probably think of us as insects with no intelligence.

'They' might be so far adsvanced that occupying physical bodies would be a limitation to their existance.

 

[DamnDirtyApe]

When I was reading and listening about the reports of people obeserving 'physical' craft, and as said on the Paracast, we don't even know if it really is physical.Maybe the intelligences are so advanced that they can let us perceive what we would think is a craft.

I was also thinking that if earth was receiving visitation from 'aliens', maybe those entities that appear are of the 'lower' in the realm. We would probably never know, but I can't imagine why an entity that could be millions or billions of years ahead of us in tech and spiritual bother with humans. They'd probably think of us as insects with no intelligence.

'They' might be so far adsvanced that occupying physical bodies would be a limitation to their existance.

Yes its sort of a sweet spot we need to seek out - if they are like us or lower then of course they are planet locked. But if they are thousands of years or more ahead then most likely they would be too far beyond us to even comprehend . We sort of seem to expect to find life in the same zone of development, give or take 1000 years, as us. That seems like a HUGE statistical unlikelihood

 

[pappavis]

My questionis, if earth is being visted by (non-)human intelligence (from this earth, the future, another dimension or wherever) and 'their' technolgy is even a 100 years ahead of our current

If any of such alien species has been doing interstellar travel for *BILLIONS* of years, and computers as we know it doesnt exist, bceause they could control & create with thought only.. "we" wont know about it. Technoogy in the sense of mechanical computers has most likely been surpassed by them so long ago, even before this planet was conceived or thought of. They will look at our computers for merely curiosity value.

I've been reading Robert Monroe' Journeys out of the Body.. Looks like we can listen to radio, telepathic capabilities, travel interstellar.. "80% of all people" are capable to do it right now, today. Without machines. The human body is a biological machine.

Are we also alien technology?

 

[LF-Reality]

VHS was an alien technology. BETA, although superior, was suppressed by the NWO in order to introduce VHS players into every home. I bet the majority of UFO contactees in the 80's had a VHS player in their home. Coincidence? I think not!

On a more serious note. If we were to stumble across advanced alien technology, I don't think we'd be capable of understanding it unless it follows suit with out own. Even their basic technology could potentially be so different to our own that we'd be left scratching our heads. Imagine giving an electric toothbrush to a cave man and asking him to reverse engineer it.

i want whatever the hell you're smoking.......