Alternative iConference #3

[Skymon876]

May 19, 2012
$10
Ticket sales close May 18, 2012
12pm Pacific / 2pm Central / 3pm Eastern
19:00 GMT

12:00 PM Farah Yurdozu​

"Beyond The Stargates Of Turkey"
Turkish UFO, paranormal, esoteric researcher Farah Yurdozu is also a writer, and author of several best-selling books in her native land. Fluent in Turkish, English and Spanish, she’s known on several continents as an authority on UFO’s, paranormal and the metaphysical. Farah’s gifts as a psychic medium were recently featured in TLC's paranormal investigation TV series DEAD TENANTS. She is a columnist for the leading monthly publication UFO Magazine and a journalist/ producer at Jerry Pippin Internet Radio. She is also a writer for Italian X-Times Magazine, and British UFO Matrix Magazine. Though her work reflects a passion for all aspects of the paranormal, her main area of study is abductions and close encounters with Extra Terrestrial and interdimensional beings through centuries and world history. Farah continues her work as a UFO researcher, writer and lecturer, and appears in major UFO conferences all over the United States from Roswell to California, Nevada to New York City.


1 Pm Walter Bosley
The Hidden Landscape In Plane Sight

"... into a web of esoteric influences connecting various figures, historic and obscure, to events and crimes of the past. Bosley's work has uncovered an apparent fabric of occult activity beneath the superficial landscape of Southern California's Inland Empire and beyond, dating back hundreds of years yet thriving today. Both his Latitude 33:Key to the Kingdom and Empire of the Wheel: Espionage, Murder and the Occult in Southern California (with Richard B Spence) present the details and Bosley is presently working on the next book in this ongoing investigation.

Bosley is also the founder of the Lost Continent Library Publishing Company, celebrating its tenth year of classic adventure fiction publishing which included a successful e-magazine that raised the bar for the field. He is also a filmmaker under the LCL banner of Lost Amazon Motion Pictures, currently in production on a short feature titled "Hell's Bells", and in pre-production on "Secret of the Amazon Queen" with Barron Entertainment.Bosley has written two stage productions and his articles on archeological anomalies have appeared in World Explorers (WEX) Magazine.
"Walter Bosley has traveled much of the world as a tourist and as an anti-terrorism security consultant, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan along the way. A licensed private investigator, he lives in Southern California."


2 P.M Micheal Busby

Mr. Busby was born and raised in north Texas. He graduated from the University of Texas at Dallas with a Bachelor of Science degree in Electrical Engineering. He did graduate studies at the University of Iowa (MBA) and Carnegie Mellon University (Software Engineering). Mr. Busby spent 8 years in the United States Marine Corps. He has worked as a hardware designer and software developer, systems engineer, technical director, engineering manager, and Engineering VP with companies directly involved in the design and manufacture of U.S. and foreign defense systems including communications systems, fixed-wing and rotary wing aircraft, weapons systems, and missile systems. He spent five years working as a systems security specialist with the Naval Air Warfare Systems. Currently, Mr. Busby peforms contract work for the Department of Defense. He plans to retire in 2013. The aerospace companies he has worked for include Rockwell International, Rockwell Collins, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, and Boeing. The air vehicle platforms he has experience with include C-2, C-54, C-130, A-10, F-2, F-16, F-18, F-22, UH-1, MH-60, MQ-8B, BAMS, and AWACS. He has written 8 books and currently has three books, including an 1897 Airship Mystery sequel, he is writing.

3. PM Kenn Thomas

Kenn Thomas has authored over fifteen books on various conspiracy topics, five devoted to the JFK assassination, Including NASA, Nazis & JFK; Mind Control, Oswald & JFK; and Maury island UFO. He has for over two decades worked as an archivist for a midwestern university while developing his interest in “parapolitics”, an idea often dismissed in mainstream media as conspiracy theory. Thomas has for many years edited and published Steamshovel Press, a magazine about the global conspiracy culture that coined the motto, “All conspiracy. No theory.”
His most known book, The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro, helped expose the Inslaw scandal of the Reagan years, a conspiracy involving a super-surveillance software and backroom deals between US operatives and Mideast terrorists. Thomas tours regularly, lecturing at venues as varied as conspiracy and UFO conferences and academic panels on alternative media, and he is often tapped as a conspiracy expert on TV and radio. His current book, Secret and Suppressed II: Banned Ideas and Hidden History into the 21st Century, compiles the latest touch button topics in the conspiracy world. Thomas is currently at work updating Maury Island UFO, first published as a prequel to The Octopus, documenting the role of 1947 UFO witnesses in the 1968 investigation of the JFK assassination

and
4 PM
Kevin Smith replaces the previous scheduled guest who had to cancel.


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[Walter Bosley]

Hey, my fans in the skeptic community will be thrilled to know this is my last public appearance in the paranormal/UFO related media for the foreseeable future. Self-imposed exile. My research continues, there will be one and maybe two more Empire of the Wheel books. The releases will be announced, and Rick and I will do interviews to promote them, but the focus will be the books. I'll sit in with Greg on Radio Misterioso every so often, and if I appear on Kevin Smith or anywhere else, it'll be to discuss movies, publishing, my fiction and perhaps minor league baseball or Las Vegas, or food or travel, etc. I will remain a part of the Alternative Universe iConference production team, though I won't appear as a speaker.

No great loss on anyone's part as my topics aren't that hot in the community anyway!

Oh, there are two upcoming documentaries I appear in, but those were shot a few years ago...

 

[Kieran]

Is there anywhere one can see that photo Don showed at the conference.

 

[Kieran]

Hey, my fans in the skeptic community will be thrilled to know this is my last public appearance in the paranormal/UFO related media for the foreseeable future. Self-imposed exile. My research continues, there will be one and maybe two more Empire of the Wheel books. The releases will be announced, and Rick and I will do interviews to promote them, but the focus will be the books. I'll sit in with Greg on Radio Misterioso every so often, and if I appear on Kevin Smith or anywhere else, it'll be to discuss movies, publishing, my fiction and perhaps minor league baseball or Las Vegas, or food or travel, etc. I will remain a part of the Alternative Universe iConference production team, though I won't appear as a speaker.

No great loss on anyone's part as my topics aren't that hot in the community anyway!

Oh, there are two upcoming documentaries I appear in, but those were shot a few years ago...

No offence the thing that turned me off that conference is the you had Kevin Smith there. The guy sees no wrong in having proven frauds on his show and letting them tell their stories.

 

[Walter Bosley]

I am not going to miss people complaining about things they can simply not listen to, LOL

 

[Walter Bosley]

This conference was Kevin Smith's idea in the first place! He is the one who webcasts it, he's the one who facilitates it happening. He and Joseph Farrell came up with the idea when they and I were speaking at the Alchemy event last November and they brought me in on the deal. I brought Greg Bishop in. Our deal with each other is that one or two of us would get to speak each time. And who he has on his show does not reflect in his presentations during the Au iCon appearances anyway.

Not coming down on you, just clarifying. I did not 'have' Kevin in it -- it's more HIS show than it is mine, LOL.

 

[trainedobserver]

This conference was Kevin Smith's idea in the first place! He is the one who webcasts it, he's the one who facilitates it happening. He and Joseph Farrell came up with the idea when they and I were speaking at the Alchemy event last November and they brought me in on the deal. I brought Greg Bishop in. Our deal with each other is that one or two of us would get to speak each time. And who he has on his show does not reflect in his presentations during the Au iCon appearances anyway.

Not coming down on you, just clarifying. I did not 'have' Kevin in it -- it's more HIS show than it is mine, LOL.

I think the i-Conference idea is an excellent one and the price is certainly right. I think it could really take off.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

On the subject of Kevin Smith - I think it is a damn shame to miss the i-conference just because of an opinion of Kevin.
As far as I'm concerned, there are shows on paranormal topics that don't tend to try filter out too much garbage - C2C, Kevin Smith, Jerry Pippin etc. I agree that on some of these shows there can be many guests who I just don't think are credible but I think it wrong to totally dismiss the shows outright - some of the hosts don't claim to be presenting total truth, some of them just say that they provide a platform for people of alternative views to speak through.
I think it is just as much up to the listener to decided what to listen to and what not.

I think Kevin Smith has been responsible for putting a lot of good info out - and yes, a lot of crap. It must be very hard to get 5 nights a week of credible guests in this field?

Remember - even the Paracast has had it's fair share of dodgy guests - Robbert the 'camera psychic'?

So my point is, just because you don't like a lot of the guests on some shows - it does not mean that all the guests are not credible and certainly I found the i-conference full of good stuff - it was worth the money just to see Don's photo!

 

[Skymon876]

Kieran Don posted his photo in a recent article on Starpod.org if you can find it. You might need to blow it up larger which might effect quality though.

 

[Kieran]

On the subject of Kevin Smith - I think it is a damn shame to miss the i-conference just because of an opinion of Kevin.
As far as I'm concerned, there are shows on paranormal topics that don't tend to try filter out too much garbage - C2C, Kevin Smith, Jerry Pippin etc. I agree that on some of these shows there can be many guests who I just don't think are credible but I think it wrong to totally dismiss the shows outright - some of the hosts don't claim to be presenting total truth, some of them just say that they provide a platform for people of alternative views to speak through.
I think it is just as much up to the listener to decided what to listen to and what not.

I think Kevin Smith has been responsible for putting a lot of good info out - and yes, a lot of crap. It must be very hard to get 5 nights a week of credible guests in this field?

Remember - even the Paracast has had it's fair share of dodgy guests - Robbert the 'camera psychic'?

So my point is, just because you don't like a lot of the guests on some shows - it does not mean that all the guests are not credible and certainly I found the i-conference full of good stuff - it was worth the money just to see Don's photo!

I have had an exchange of words with Kevin Smith by email in the past. I had previously found evidence one of his guests was a fraud told him, gave him the evidence i had it was very strong. A few weeks later he had him on again, spewing his garbage. I got back in touch all i got was abuse from Smith. He is an idiot, he doesn't care about who he has on his show.

 

[Kieran]

Kieran Don posted his photo in a recent article on Starpod.org if you can find it. You might need to blow it up larger which might effect quality though.

Nice one Ryan check that out.

 

[Walter Bosley]

Perhaps it's time people simply stopped listening to shows they don't like and let it be, as opposed to thinking a person's show should change to their liking. Remember, these shows 'belong' to the people who make them, not the public. As long as you aren't being ripped off by those you oppose, why should it matter so much?

Who was the guest and what was the evidence? When you say 'fraud', do you mean legally and criminally? Or is it the popular casual use of the term? I simply ask because I think such things should be qualified and clarified. Because someone may draw different conclusions than we would does not make them a 'fraud', necessarily. It might make them a fool, LOL. I would have to know what went on in the conversation with Kevin before I could judge. 'Fraud' gets used on this forum site more than anywhere else I've seen.

 

[Kieran]

Perhaps it's time people simply stopped listening to shows they don't like and let it be, as opposed to thinking a person's show should change to their liking. Remember, these shows 'belong' to the people who make them, not the public. As long as you aren't being ripped off by those you oppose, why should it matter so much?

Who was the guest and what was the evidence? When you say 'fraud', do you mean legally and criminally? Or is it the popular casual use of the term? I simply ask because I think such things should be qualified and clarified. Because someone may draw different conclusions than we would does not make them a 'fraud', necessarily. It might make them a fool, LOL. I would have to know what went on in the conversation with Kevin before I could judge. 'Fraud' gets used on this forum site more than anywhere else I've seen.

There was a thread about this last year i will try finding it and will post. But it was about these guys.

Paul Dale Roberts - James Norton UFO evidence - Unexplained Mysteries
Incident at Fort Benning: John Vasquez, Bruce Stephen Holms: 9781892264046: Amazon.com: Books

Kevin Smith charges for his show does he not?

 

[trainedobserver]

Perhaps it's time people simply stopped listening to shows they don't like and let it be, as opposed to thinking a person's show should change to their liking. Remember, these shows 'belong' to the people who make them, not the public. As long as you aren't being ripped off by those you oppose, why should it matter so much?

I actually enjoy listening to Kevin Smith and others if they have an interesting story of guest on. I think people approach these subjects and the shows and personalities that deal with them in a couple of different modes. The primary one and perhaps the only valid one is entertainment. The other mode is some sort of truth seeking or journalistic one where these mysteries are presumed to be genuinely investigated and reported on, where information and sources have been vetted and what is presented can be taken at face value. Since the world isn't black and white there are undoubtedly a great deal of variation between the two extremes, but I think those are the two main ways people approach these things.

Like mainstream media, much of the entertainment is presented as a serious journalistic endeavor. To do so probably isn't fraud as much as it is just show business. That they may have a guest on who is a fraud or a hoaxer probably speaks more to the entertainment factor they see in them more than it does any lack of due diligence in vetting their stories. Just think of all the great stories Imbrogno told.

People are going to naturally be more critical of these things when they are presented or taken as journalism rather than entertainment. Some folks are obviously performing an act and putting on the journalist's hat for the audience, while others are not, and there again there is probably many variations on that theme. I have often wondered if this hasn't been a long running inside joke since the days of John Keel!

 

[Goggs Mackay]

@Kieran - I'm sad to hear that about Kevin. Actually mate, a few weeks back someone posted a Kevin Smith episode youtube video which had a guy who built a boat from popsicle sticks and sailed across the channel or something. Anyway, mostly due to his distinct lack of nautical knowledge, his insistence on referring to himself as 'captain' repeatedly when it is obvious he was nothing of the sort and also his tall tale about USO's and MIB's.
In fact, I think 99% of it was a sham. If Kevin was a cop for as long as he says, then he should have a good instinct as to when people are lying.

I had thought, like you, about emailing Kevin and telling him that guest was full of shit and in the past when there were guests I thought were full of it, I'd thought about contacting Kevin and asking him if he minds 'friends' coming on his show and lying to his face and audience?
I didn't bother and I am disappointed to hear of his response to you.

BUT! Even so, Kevin did a good job with the conference, I loved his presentation and I loved the other ones too. So yes, there are utterly shit unbelievable guests on his show but sometimes he does good stuff. I just weed out the crap as best I can!

 

[Walter Bosley]

Kevin does not charge to listen to his show. He does charge for watching it. That is a member premium -- and even so, it's a consumer choice.

 

[trainedobserver]

Kevin does not charge to listen to his show. He does charge for watching it. That is a member premium -- and even so, it's a consumer choice.

Heavy emphasis on show as all of this is just show business. How does the notion that because something is free equate to it is unfair or improper to criticize it?

Apparently Goggs, if you don't get the inside joke that this is all just show business (a performance) and not meant to represent anything real you should just keep your critical and contrary thoughts to yourself and watch NOVA or something.

 

[Blabyboy]

Perhaps the best thing is not to take anything on any of the shows at face value. People (IMHO) should be critical in analysing what is said and it is up to themselves to form their own conclusions.. do the research, ask around, whatever you're personally comfortable with to get the answers you seek. If you're just a listener and not a thinker then why worry? ...you've filled some time and can move on to the next thing.

Cheers,
Bb

 

[Walter Bosley]

What truth are you guys looking for? LOL

I agree with Blabyboy. Take what's valuable to you, don't fret the rest. None of anything found discussed in the paranormal/UFO media or forums is critical to daily human existence. More importantly, no one else's experience can (or should) replace one's personal experience, therefore even the 'best' show or book or forum discussion etc is somewhat useless, really IF one is sincerely looking for truth.

My advice is that when one becomes dissatisfied with what they're hearing from others, that's the time to go out and see for oneself. Repetitive debate is akin to masturbation.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

I can take the line as outlined above, that you can pick and choose what you wanna take as probable truth or what you wanna take with a pinch of salt.

I realise there is a large element of entertainment especially from shows like C2C and no-one really need get too upset over any content - don't listen/watch if you don't like. It really is that simple for me.

Now, a big, round and juicy but - some of these shows claim to be seeking to get 'the truth' to the masses about such topics as the ufo cover-up. If you are going to play the card of trying to expose the truth then I think that should be the case all the time, otherwise how is the listener to know when it is just entertainment and when it is supposedly factual?