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RadarRyder
Skilled Investigator
I have been following this Constance. There are more photos on the site today with more information. They have confirmed that a John Klika (officer who reportedly took the shots) was indeed on-board the Trepang during the time. IMO I do not think that the long cylindrical object is a target balloon. It appears that the U.S. Navy still uses target balloons for practice but the shapes of the ones used today are much smaller and not even closed to the shape of the one in the photo. Not sure what they looked like in '71 but I don't believe that they would have looked like that. The closest target balloon resembling that of the one in the Trepang photo are from the early 1900's. So.........If this is indeed not a target balloon, and the Trepang came into contact with this object by accident, are there more photos taken from the sub from the surface of the ocean that we haven't seen yet??...(surely they would've been ordered to surface to get a better look at this object after reporting to command about the encounter)....why are all of the photos from the periscope view?? I find this to be slightly odd.....maybe even a clue.
Arctic UFO Photographs, USS Trepang, SSN 674, March 1971 - The Black Vault Case Files
Arctic UFO Photographs, USS Trepang, SSN 674, March 1971 - The Black Vault Case Files
RadarRyder
Skilled Investigator
One of the more recent photos of the object in question. From the Black Vault Site - "The craft, which looks a lot like the one in the first picture, seems to be in trouble. Is it on fire? Does it come from the depths of the ocean or is it headed there? Despite the fact that its form perfectly resembles the typical “cigar” shape of UFOs, it is still impossible to distinguish more details of its structure. (Bottom) According to the letter from our “anonymous contact”, the submarine was equipped with an analog camera, thus explaining the image overlay (or double exposure?) of the visible graduations (I’m assuming they’re talking about the double crosshairs.)" ..........or is it just a target balloon falling into the ocean after being struck by naval gun fire???? Maybe there are some (former) submariners in here that can add some light to this subject.
In these recently posted images there appear to be black objects in the air to the left of the 'ufo' or 'target' (in one photo this object has a trapezoidal shape). Could these be fragments of a missile shot at the ufo/target?
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Good points. The commander of the Trepang (now an admiral) could clear all of this up if he said the photos represent targeting experiments and balloons. All he's been willing to say so far is that "all I saw in the Arctic was ice," which suggests that the photos and whatever they represent is still classified.
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Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Gerald Bull (of Saddam's railway gun fame) was doing weapons development and secret agencies all over the world began hiring him around this era. He was near our regiment's Camp X outpost or area of interest. At Trenton AFB he continued refining many of his ideas which Count Rumford would have been proud of. Was he the only one doing it - I doubt it. My brother is in a secretive Military Intel group which has members from the US top brass as well as Canada. He is a retired NYG Lt. Col. and Canadian Major with an ED and all manner of medals. He met a Canadian Colonel who oversaw Bull for MI5 on more than one occasion at the RCMI in downtown Toronto.
He tried to get me to come and talk to the guy, but I told him about what I thought Bull was headed towards in propulsion experimentation including charged weapons and ELF that eventually became Non-Lethal weapons on satellites and tied in with HAARP. My brother told me the Colonel (Maybe the one mentioned in the Wiki link.) said I was right. Wiki of course doesn't want to say there is a connection.
"In late 1961 Bull visited Murphy and Trudeau at Aberdeen and was able to interest them in the idea using guns to loft missile components for re-entry research, a task that was otherwise very expensive and time-consuming aboard rockets. They arranged funding for the work under Project HARP (for High Altitude Research Program, not to be confused with HAARP). The US Navy supplied a surplus 16-inch battleship gun, and a contract from the Office of Naval Research paid for the gun to be re-bored into a 16.4-inch smooth bore. The entire contract, excluding shipping, was only $2,000.[15]
The performance of the gun was so great that the Highwater site was too small to support it. McGill had long been running a meteorological station on Barbados and had close connections with the new Democratic Labour Party (DLP), and suggested that it would make an ideal location for the gun to be set up. Bull met with Prime Minister Errol Barrow who became an enthusiastic supporter of HARP, and arranged for a firing site in Foul Bay, on the southeast coast of the island near the Seawell Airport. The guns arrived in early 1962 but could not be put ashore at the site and had to be offloaded 7 miles (11 km) down the coast, and then transported overland via a purpose-built railway that employed hundreds of locals. As the project continued, this figure grew to over 300 permanently employed with the project, and it became a major reason for Barrow's continued support.[16] Bull encouraged the locals to use the project as a stepping-stone to a science or engineering degree of their own, and his efforts were widely lauded in the press.
In January 1962 the first test shot was carried out, firing an empty sabot. The test was completely successful, so a further two similar firings were abandoned and the second firing was made with a dart-like finned projectile named Martlet (after the mythical bird without feet on the McGill University crest). These tests demonstrated several problems, including poor shot-to-shot performance of the decades-old gunpowder, and the fact that the projectile left the barrel so quickly that the powder did not have time to burn completely. New charges using modern powder were soon supplied, and by November 1962 the 150-kilogram Martlets were being fired at over 10,000 ft/s (3,048 m/s; 6,818 mph) and reaching altitudes of 215,000 ft (66,000 m)."
Gerald Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He tried to get me to come and talk to the guy, but I told him about what I thought Bull was headed towards in propulsion experimentation including charged weapons and ELF that eventually became Non-Lethal weapons on satellites and tied in with HAARP. My brother told me the Colonel (Maybe the one mentioned in the Wiki link.) said I was right. Wiki of course doesn't want to say there is a connection.
"In late 1961 Bull visited Murphy and Trudeau at Aberdeen and was able to interest them in the idea using guns to loft missile components for re-entry research, a task that was otherwise very expensive and time-consuming aboard rockets. They arranged funding for the work under Project HARP (for High Altitude Research Program, not to be confused with HAARP). The US Navy supplied a surplus 16-inch battleship gun, and a contract from the Office of Naval Research paid for the gun to be re-bored into a 16.4-inch smooth bore. The entire contract, excluding shipping, was only $2,000.[15]
The performance of the gun was so great that the Highwater site was too small to support it. McGill had long been running a meteorological station on Barbados and had close connections with the new Democratic Labour Party (DLP), and suggested that it would make an ideal location for the gun to be set up. Bull met with Prime Minister Errol Barrow who became an enthusiastic supporter of HARP, and arranged for a firing site in Foul Bay, on the southeast coast of the island near the Seawell Airport. The guns arrived in early 1962 but could not be put ashore at the site and had to be offloaded 7 miles (11 km) down the coast, and then transported overland via a purpose-built railway that employed hundreds of locals. As the project continued, this figure grew to over 300 permanently employed with the project, and it became a major reason for Barrow's continued support.[16] Bull encouraged the locals to use the project as a stepping-stone to a science or engineering degree of their own, and his efforts were widely lauded in the press.
In January 1962 the first test shot was carried out, firing an empty sabot. The test was completely successful, so a further two similar firings were abandoned and the second firing was made with a dart-like finned projectile named Martlet (after the mythical bird without feet on the McGill University crest). These tests demonstrated several problems, including poor shot-to-shot performance of the decades-old gunpowder, and the fact that the projectile left the barrel so quickly that the powder did not have time to burn completely. New charges using modern powder were soon supplied, and by November 1962 the 150-kilogram Martlets were being fired at over 10,000 ft/s (3,048 m/s; 6,818 mph) and reaching altitudes of 215,000 ft (66,000 m)."
Gerald Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
RadarRyder
Skilled Investigator
Well thanks for all that info Gerald. I'm just a simple "grunt in life", but I guess you're suggesting that the object in these photo's may be part of some type of experimental weapons system.......could be I suppose. Hard to understand why this topic hasn't taken off. At least on the outside it appears to be legit. What is with the clouds/smoke around the object in the photo?? Is is smoke from hits by gun fire, or some type of mist generated by the object. I thought that it could be some type of target balloon, but then I thought wouldn't just explode/deflate when struck?? Then found the below video on .50 Cal. training from a helo. The "weather" balloon doesn't deflate or explode upon taking hits...and it had to of taken some hits from that gun.
RadarRyder
Skilled Investigator
I noticed that also Constance.........I thought to myself "are those pieces of the craft or something else??" In one of the photos it also appears that some debris may be floating in the water!? Who knows.........gonna head over to the Black Vault to see if there is any new info on this.
RadarRyder
Skilled Investigator
Some of today's military target balloons.
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Dear RR
I saw nothing that is not explainable by missile launching like early scud types weapons with little steering pieces and such. Some might even have been anti ballistic weapons including pulse xray or magnetics (ELF).
I saw nothing that is not explainable by missile launching like early scud types weapons with little steering pieces and such. Some might even have been anti ballistic weapons including pulse xray or magnetics (ELF).
RadarRyder
Skilled Investigator
Roger that sir,
Been looking over a lot of other forums talking about these photos, and it would seem that the general consensus is that it is some type of target blimp or weapons system testing. Would something like that still be classified!?!? I tried searching the net for numerous types of target blimps and, other than the early 1900's target blimp, was unable to find anything that looked similar to the cigar shaped object in the photo.
Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
That one in particular looks like Bull's Trenton AFB era missiles.
This also the era my Physics teacher was building flying saucers and the Avro Arrow, he may have brought the design knowledge with him from Germany. The Avro Arrow (see Movie with Dan Akroyd) was 20 years ahead of US jets. The US then mounted a coup (Media and CIA) to oust the Prime Minister of Canada in order to get nukes on Canadian soil.
Here is Wiki saying something about the missiles.
To test the aerodynamics of the missile, instead of building an expensive supersonic wind tunnel CARDE used a method developed by Gerald Bull and others of firing sabot-equipped test models down a specially-constructed 1,000 yard range. The models were fired through a series of stations located at 100-yard intervals, each equipped with a metal-coated "jump card". The position and shape of the resulting holes in the cards indicated whether or not the missile was flying stably. The metallic coating on the cards triggered a timer, to measure velocity. One of the stations was also equipped for Schlieren photography, to make a permanent record of shock waves around the model. To reconcile conflicting needs for high pressure to burn the propellant efficiently, and lower pressure to accelerate the model and sabot without destroying them, the gun used a High–low system chamber. A drilled plate limited the rate at which the propellant gases reached the round. This basic design would be key to Project HARP and many of Bull's later concepts.[2]
In 1952 ground-launched testing started at the Picton Range, a small test site set up outside Picton, Ontario, near the RCAF base at Trenton, Ontario. Air-launches from a CF-100 started in 1954, with the aircraft flying from Trenton to fire over Picton. The site was later used to launch models of the Arrow for aerodynamics testing. Testing of the Velvet Glove then moved to an operational setting at Cold Lake, Alberta.[3] By this point the Arrow was slated to replace the CF-100 within a few years, and the RCAF had always demanded that it fire the much more advanced active-radar Sparrow II missile under design for the US Navy. Interest in the Velvet Glove waned, as the Sparrow outperformed it in all ways.
The cancellation of the program led to serious questions in the Canadian House of Commons. Development had cost a total of $24 million ($160 million in year-2000 dollars) which the Department of National Defence attempted to justify as money well spent on the training of the specialists involved in the project. The opposition pointed out that this amounted to $60,000 per specialist, which at that time was more than their weight in gold.[4]
The Sparrow ran into lengthy delays, and the US Navy eventually gave up on the design, turning to the simpler semi-automatic Sparrow III. Options for the Arrow were studied, including taking over the Sparrow II program at Canadair, turning to the Falcon/rocket mix being used by contemporary USAF interceptors, or restarting the Velvet Glove project. There were concerns that the Velvet Glove would be difficult to launch at supersonic speeds and therefore representing a risk to the aircraft, likely due to its small control surfaces not having enough authority. In the end Canadair was instructed to take over the Sparrow II, ending development of the Velvet Glove for good. When the Arrow project was later canceled, work on the Sparrow II also ceased.[1] The Picton Range closed in 1957.[3]
This also the era my Physics teacher was building flying saucers and the Avro Arrow, he may have brought the design knowledge with him from Germany. The Avro Arrow (see Movie with Dan Akroyd) was 20 years ahead of US jets. The US then mounted a coup (Media and CIA) to oust the Prime Minister of Canada in order to get nukes on Canadian soil.
Here is Wiki saying something about the missiles.
To test the aerodynamics of the missile, instead of building an expensive supersonic wind tunnel CARDE used a method developed by Gerald Bull and others of firing sabot-equipped test models down a specially-constructed 1,000 yard range. The models were fired through a series of stations located at 100-yard intervals, each equipped with a metal-coated "jump card". The position and shape of the resulting holes in the cards indicated whether or not the missile was flying stably. The metallic coating on the cards triggered a timer, to measure velocity. One of the stations was also equipped for Schlieren photography, to make a permanent record of shock waves around the model. To reconcile conflicting needs for high pressure to burn the propellant efficiently, and lower pressure to accelerate the model and sabot without destroying them, the gun used a High–low system chamber. A drilled plate limited the rate at which the propellant gases reached the round. This basic design would be key to Project HARP and many of Bull's later concepts.[2]
In 1952 ground-launched testing started at the Picton Range, a small test site set up outside Picton, Ontario, near the RCAF base at Trenton, Ontario. Air-launches from a CF-100 started in 1954, with the aircraft flying from Trenton to fire over Picton. The site was later used to launch models of the Arrow for aerodynamics testing. Testing of the Velvet Glove then moved to an operational setting at Cold Lake, Alberta.[3] By this point the Arrow was slated to replace the CF-100 within a few years, and the RCAF had always demanded that it fire the much more advanced active-radar Sparrow II missile under design for the US Navy. Interest in the Velvet Glove waned, as the Sparrow outperformed it in all ways.
The cancellation of the program led to serious questions in the Canadian House of Commons. Development had cost a total of $24 million ($160 million in year-2000 dollars) which the Department of National Defence attempted to justify as money well spent on the training of the specialists involved in the project. The opposition pointed out that this amounted to $60,000 per specialist, which at that time was more than their weight in gold.[4]
The Sparrow ran into lengthy delays, and the US Navy eventually gave up on the design, turning to the simpler semi-automatic Sparrow III. Options for the Arrow were studied, including taking over the Sparrow II program at Canadair, turning to the Falcon/rocket mix being used by contemporary USAF interceptors, or restarting the Velvet Glove project. There were concerns that the Velvet Glove would be difficult to launch at supersonic speeds and therefore representing a risk to the aircraft, likely due to its small control surfaces not having enough authority. In the end Canadair was instructed to take over the Sparrow II, ending development of the Velvet Glove for good. When the Arrow project was later canceled, work on the Sparrow II also ceased.[1] The Picton Range closed in 1957.[3]
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Firnuialion
Paranormal Novice
I see people are talkin about a sigar shaped blimp or craft.
Did you notice that it apeers to be triangular in shape.
I think the angle of visibility is important, because the smoking image also looks like there is an angle of the triangle coming up behind or in the smoke.
If you look close at the image with the french language part, you'll see a shadow in the water on the right bottom of the craft/glimp. Or is it a weight for balance and caused to swing over the object by its tumbeling?
so it seems to me that the other peace of debree is an other blimp or craft in the distance.
Target practice I presume
Did you notice that it apeers to be triangular in shape.
I think the angle of visibility is important, because the smoking image also looks like there is an angle of the triangle coming up behind or in the smoke.
If you look close at the image with the french language part, you'll see a shadow in the water on the right bottom of the craft/glimp. Or is it a weight for balance and caused to swing over the object by its tumbeling?
so it seems to me that the other peace of debree is an other blimp or craft in the distance.
Target practice I presume
Firnuialion
Paranormal Novice
just curious 