Another Healer

[Kim323]

As usual, an excellent show. As I was listening to the riveting
discussion of Arigo, I couldn't help but keep thinking of another
healer: Jesus. Now, don't go off on me! I feel compelled to say
that I am at core Christian doctrinally, but believe there a many paths,
all of which I'm interested in and explore avidly. I think Jesus cannot
be (at all!) discounted as perhaps employing some of the same techniques
as Arigo, though clearly without instruments! There are a number of
scholarly articles and books that use methods that concede that many
of the miracles and healings by Jesus are rooted in some actual event.
One of many such works is by the so-called Jesus Seminar, which are
quite a skeptical bunch. If Arigo can be accepted as performing healing,
why cannot Jesus in much the same vein, despite the absence of video
cameras in his time?! Just some thoughts, and keep up the great work
on a superb show, one I look forward to listening to every darn week!!!!!
Kim

 

[Aaron LeClair]

I only listened to part of the show so far. Edgar Cayce came to mind while listening.

I heard it once asked "Why didn't Jesus heal all sickness, if he had the power of God. Why did he have to be present?" "Did he pick and choose? By what merit"? I'm curious as to people's answer or response to that question. Not that I don't have any, but I know mine already.

 

[musictomyears]

Kim, you will find that many healers consider Jesus Christ the greatest healer ever. No problems there. However, most Christian churches and sects promote Jesus as the only legitimate healer in history, but dismiss all other healers as either charlatans, or operatives of the devil.

I once attended a massive convention of born-again Christians at Earls Court Exhibition Centre, London. It was packed out, at a capacity of about 20.000, and many more waiting outside. After a couple of hours of religious indoctrination, I had to use the restroom. I finished my business, and proceeded to the hand basins. As I stood there, rinsing my hands, a tall and very friendly black man in an expensive looking suit approached me, and - with the biggest smile in the world - asked me if this was my first encounter with their church, and if I had been "born again". I said yes, and that I think we all have lived many times. That put a frown on his face, and he asked me what I do in life. I said I was a spiritual healer. Honest to God, the black man's face turned white with terror! I noticed he was beginning to panic, as he did not know what he was supposed to do. After a brief pause, he suddenly stretched out his right arm, firmly pressed the palm of his hand against my forehead, and began to recite something to the effect of "May God release all evil spirits from this man, and save his soul". He talked me through an exorcism - in the lavatory!

I just stood there and waited for him to finish. Eventually, he opened his eyes, and, with some exasperation, asked me: "How do you feel now?" I replied "Very well, thank you!", turned around, and walked off. Phew!

 

[musictomyears]

I only listened to part of the show so far. Edgar Cayce came to mind while listening.

I heard it once asked "Why didn't Jesus heal all sickness, if he had the power of God. Why did he have to be present?" "Did he pick and choose? By what merit"? I'm curious as to people's answer or response to that question. Not that I don't have any, but I know mine already.

From reading the Gospels, you will remember that Jesus accredited healing to the Holy Ghost, but also to the faith of his patients, and their willingness to repent.

I would suggest that "Holy Ghost" represents the spirit guide, that "faith" represents the desire to submit to a higher, spiritual force, and that "repenting" represents preparedness for letting go of sick-making thoughts.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

From reading the Gospels, you will remember that Jesus accredited healing to the Holy Ghost, but also to the faith of his patients, and their willingness to repent.

I would suggest that "Holy Ghost" represents the spirit guide, that "faith" represents the desire to submit to a higher, spiritual force, and that "repenting" represents preparedness for letting go of sick-making thoughts.

So, much of the healing is done by God and the patient? The people had faith in Jesus just as they have faith today in doctors. I wonder how many people Jesus failed to heal that didn't get recorded however.

 

[musictomyears]

I wonder how many people Jesus failed to heal that didn't get recorded however.

That's a very good question.

I think we need to take all biblical accounts with a huge pinch of salt, since none of it can be considered historically accurate. Even Christian scholars will admit this much.

I am again reminded of Seth's writings, since he spent quite some time on describing - from his perspective - the life of Jesus Christ. Seth maintained that what we know as "Jesus" was, in fact, a composite figure, assembled from a number of real, historical characters. The aim was to make Jesus appear truly superhuman, and gifted with all kinds of miraculous abilities. Seth also said that the historical Jesus was not crucified. Instead, a somewhat delusional man took his place, who volunteered to fulfil the prophecies. Judas, in fact, pointed out the wrong man to the Roman soldiers, and, by doing so, saved the real Jesus' life.

You will remember that the Gospels mention more than once that Jesus' miracles were dependent on the faith of those who met him. There is an episode where he went into a town, and the people there didn't believe in him - and he couldn't work any miracles at all! I am amazed that fundamentalist Christians manage to ignore such paragraphs in their holy book, but insist Jesus was some kind of manifested God. Far from it, Jesus referred to himself as the "Son of Man", and he referred to God as his father in the same way you or I might do. And when it comes to healing, it is mentioned in the Gospels that he trained his disciples, and advised them to go out and heal, but to never take any money for it. He kept saying that "You will do even greater miracles than I". Is this what a God talks like, or are these the words of a humble human being?