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Other chat forums are all ablaze about an abrupt recall of all top ambassadors by Hilary Clinton, to the State Department recently. This article link makes general comments like, "foreign policy for 2011" but the whole thing has an emergency feel of it to me. Could it be merely about what to do with Egypt? Other forum'rs are all-a-twitter (so-to-speak) about forebodings of an upcoming pole-shift calamity that Obama knows about. Everyone connecting dots, and feeling scared. I find that I am conspiratorially hugging my big fat furry cats -more- these days. (Well, they are irresistably cute......)

See:
http://www.abc24.com/news/political...f-U-S-ambassadors/ycSD6j3KV0ON1H3wGnhIkw.cspx


Also http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread660312/pg1
 
How do we go from a reasonable reason for this (Egypt), to one that has no evidence (polar shift calamity)? The article says nothing about that, so I would not jump to conclusions.
 
pixelsmith said:
The "PATRIOT" Act Up for Extension today.
Campaign For Liberty Act Up for Extension on Tuesday

Also, a polar shift happening in the near future is a probability.
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I remember hearing about a polar shift happening in the 80s and then in 2000. So I guess with every passing year it becomes a higher probability. It has happened before, and since the average is 300 000 years, we're definitely due since it has been 780 000 years - at least that's what the interwebz tell me.
 
i think a polar shift would be cool. birds would fly north for the winter and i could finally grow a palm tree in my yard.

would we turn our globes upside down then?
 
pixelsmith said:
i think a polar shift would be cool. birds would fly north for the winter and i could finally grow a palm tree in my yard.

would we turn our globes upside down then?
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Would my iPhone still work? These events are unpredictable, so we don't know. But getting back to the original post, I don't think it has anything to do with it. I think you're right about the Patriot Act. Things like that make me happy I live in Canada - we have our own problems, but nothing like the invasion of privacy that Americans face.
 
Angel of Ioren said:
Would my iPhone still work? These events are unpredictable, so we don't know. But getting back to the original post, I don't think it has anything to do with it. I think you're right about the Patriot Act. Things like that make me happy I live in Canada - we have our own problems, but nothing like the invasion of privacy that Americans face.
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What makes you so sure the American Government doesn't "do as it pleases" north of the border? (not saying I agree)

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pixelsmith said:
9 out of 10 americans don't have a clue what the patriot act is.
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You sure? It was a big deal when it first passed.
 
Angel of Ioren said:
Even if they do, it isn't extensive as what happens in the USA.
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I disagree completely. The U.S. and specifically the NSA get a complete copy of all internet transfered data. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is fact. They get it outside and inside US borders by tapping transoceanic fiber either at a main hub or from the lines run on the ocean bottom or buried in the ground. Bell labs, the CIA, and the NSA jointly developed a way to optically split a fiber line using a sophisticated device that essentially micro-bends the fiber line and applies a prism to split the light giving them a complete copy of any data traversing the line with no latency in the original signal. Internet routing does not follow geopolitical borders. So your email may touch routers in France, China, Guam, and Spain before ending up in your neighbors inbox.

For open air transmissions they have HAARP in Australia. The best part is that they are not breaking any laws if this is collected outside physical U.S. borders. There is a book called "The Shadow Factory" that chronicles all of this. It is a long book but well worth the read.
 
Ron Collins said:
I disagree completely. The U.S. and specifically the NSA get a complete copy of all internet transfered data. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is fact. They get it outside and inside US borders by tapping transoceanic fiber either at a main hub or from the lines run on the ocean bottom or buried in the ground. Bell labs, the CIA, and the NSA jointly developed a way to optically split a fiber line using a sophisticated device that essentially micro-bends the fiber line and applies a prism to split the light giving them a complete copy of any data traversing the line with no latency in the original signal.

For open air transmissions they have HAARP in Australia. The best part is that they are not breaking any laws if this is collected outside physical U.S. borders. There is a book called "The Shadow Factory" that chronicles all of this. It is a long book but well worth the read.
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I agree with you on the internet data, Ron, but the law does not apply to Canadians.
 
Angel of Ioren said:
I agree with you on the internet data, Ron, but the law does not apply to Canadians.
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But thats the thing. It doesn't have to. They collect all data. Period. Regardless of origin or destination. You can make a law that says Canadians are exempt from other nations collecting and spying on Canadian transmissions but that is just words.

I added this after my initial post but before your reply.
Internet routing does not follow geopolitical borders. So your email may touch routers in France, China, Guam, and Spain before ending up in your neighbors inbox.
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This is really the crux of the issue. There is no such thing as one country being less affected by the Patriot act as another. Regardless of your nationality, geography, or treaty the U.S. is now in possession of your data. The only way to stop this is to retool internet routing protocols to follow geopolitical boundaries. I doubt that will ever happen.
 
Ron Collins said:
But thats the thing. It doesn't have to. They collect all data. Period. Regardless of origin or destination. You can make a law that says Canadians are exempt from other nations collecting and spying on Canadian transmissions but that is just words.

I added this after my initial post but before your reply. This is really the crux of the issue. There is no such thing as one country being less affected by the Patriot act as another. Regardless of your nationality, geography, or treaty the U.S. is now in possession of your data. The only way to stop this is to retool internet routing protocols to follow geopolitical boundaries. I doubt that will ever happen.
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I see what you mean. Well, that will be my last post, I will be going off grid and moving into the mountains of Quebec.
 
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This is still a nation that those of us born here love. But, yes the government has gotten away from the people and by the people. To much corporate power and to many career politicans. But, every once in a while we still remember who we are. 8)
 
Also, in regards to open air transmissions, all signals end up migrating to the poles. Thus, HAARP has the ability to attempt to eavesdrop on them. Apart from messenger pigeon and smoke signals that is the nearly all the modern communications medium being funneled into Fort Mead. Scary stuff.
 
Ron Collins said:
... nearly all the modern communications medium being funneled into Fort Mead. Scary stuff.
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You have to wonder how easy it is to get to that data and make sense of it though. As I think you're aware, collecting and storing data is one thing, putting it in a form that can be analyzed is another.
 
Back in the mid 90's, I saw a documentary about something called "Project Echelon". The US and other allied countries monitored all forms of each others communications.
For example, Canada would monitor all of the communications in the US, then turn that data over to the US. This way, any of those pesky privacy laws could be gotten around and ignored. And it went both ways, the US would monitor Canada and turn over the data. Australia and England were supposed to be in on it too.
To help sift through all that data, they had computer programs designed to pick out specific words, such as "bomb", or "assasinate" or "overthrow". Those messages would get flagged for immediate viewing.
It seems very reasonable to assume the US monitors ALL forms of communication, whether it's legal or not, and whether it has anything to do with national defense. Blackmail by Homeland Security seems very real....what politician or industry leader would want the world to know they are gay? Or that they hire hookers? Or are child molestors?
 
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