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So basically she'll believe anything you tell her...

I'm halfway through and I've had to stop myself from skipping the episode a few times. Wow. Even social scientists need evidence.
 
Not only will she believe anything you tell her, you can also come with the most outlandish claims, and she would never think to be so rude and imposing as to gently ask whether she can take a picture.

Her family photo albums must make for a quick 2 minute read...

She also has a unique and uncanny ability to run into tremendously shy people. All those cases, and every single one of them wanted to anonymous? I'd understand if most of them would like to be anonymous, but not a single one wanted to be on record? You'd think she was interviewing mafia hit men or something.

Also makes you wonder how come other researchers don't have such a hard time with making at least some people come forward.
 
Yup, in that case the only person getting fame and fortune from their anonymity is Sixkiller-Clarke. But surely its possible for a witness to come out just for principle and authenticity and not monetary gain?

And that argument falls apart when you take a closer look at it. While some witnesses have managed to parlay their sighting into a career on the incredulity and weirdness circuit, the vast majority never gets neither game nor money from it. Unless you consider a footnote in a UFO book fame. But that's setting the par kinda low, no?
 
I think she is quite authentic and honest. And "unspoiled" by UFO lore, which is refreshing, considering most of the other guests (and the hosts;) ).

By the sound of it, she was quite a bit surprised when she was told more and more of these seemingly corroborating stories, so much so that she thought it might be important to present them to a greater audience.

But I'm afraid, without any real evidence, the book is probably best to be seen as nothing more than a collection modern folklore stories.
 
I seriously doubt Ms. Sixkiller-Clarke is getting rich and famous from releasing her book. I never heard of her before this show, have any of you? This book is not going to be as popular as a Stephen King novel. I just received the book yesterday and read a few chapters. Just as she stated in the program, she was relating stories told to her by Indians who have had strange experiences with 'Star People.'

She also said in the book that in many cases these people did not want their stories told. They were afraid of the 'white man' searching them out on the reservation and making life difficult for them, family and other occupants of the reservation. I think she knows what she talks about. I could easily see a bunch of so-called yahoo ufo researchers driving up and ask stupid questions.
 
I could understand if most of them wanted to be anonymous, it just strikes me as odd that every single one of them would be scared of giving out a name or some simple, identifying details.
Also her complete lack of interest in trying to get the stories corroborated stuck me as odd. (Like taking a simple picture of the silver dollar, for example)

You assume that people only lie for specific reasons, like fame or economic benefits, but I found the opposite to be true. People lie for all sorts of reasons, some just like to tell a good tale.

Some years ago, I had a job where I signed up new members for Amnesty International. A couple of times a week, some pretty normal looking person would come up to me and tell me how they had information that the CIA, masons etc. were trying to prevent them from spreading. Clearly these people had some serious, pathological delusions yet were relatively together enough to be kept out of a mental institution.
 
I'm slightly concerned about how she got the name "sixkiller" lol.

Ardy seems to be a very good natured soul and if she interviwed 900 people she hasn't been sitting on her posterior. I don't think Ardy has set out to intentionally color the truth. She has interviewed native peoples though.Out of 900 interviews I'm sure one or two of them are blown slightly out of proportion. Don't forget that Indians come from a mostly oral tradition and some of them are probably really good story tellers.

There does seem to be a trend in certain places for more exotic stories. The UFO stories coming out of Mexico seem more elaborate than the stories coming from white Germans here on the East Coast. The Chupicabra stories coming from Brazil are similar in the kinds of things you hear that seem so far away from reality that it becomes difficult to believe. I might have developed a bias over the years about some of this and I will be the first to admit the possibility of that. Maybe it's more in the methods used to tell the stories and that these peoples have some really out there explanations for things. In much of their ancient lore there seem to be stories which are most certainly a kind of mythology that are told like factual thing. It would be similar to me me telling you "Little Red Riding Hood" and believing every word of it,or telling it as a fact instead of a story. In other words when listening to a UFO account where do we draw the line ?

I enjoyed the show. I could tell Chris was knowledgable about the cattle mutilations. I would love to know more about that subject. If helicopters are landing and picking up cattle and systematically operating on them..why? It would seem that this is happening to this day.
 
On the topic of helicopters

If unknown entitys are mutilating cattle, it makes perfect sense to me that we would see humans in helicopters on the scene after the fact.

Helicopters as a way of gathering information about unusual events is quite normal.
Its why news stations use them...................
 
She seems like a sweet genuine lady, but I have to say she may be too naive at times. Did anyone catch the part about the gentleman who the aliens would drop the car down on? She mentions that the gentleman was not familiar with cars and did not own one, yet " he was changing their tire. " That just does not make a whole lot of sense to me. Anyone else catch that?

Nice lady though and it may even be an entertaining book but I'm not sure if it's much more than that.
 
Did I catch it? How could I miss that one lol. If we believed all of this it is rather scary to think where that might lead. There are certainly few precedents for the flat tire scenario. For that matter dropping cars from UFOs....heck I don't know, maybe they stopped by the Ford plant on the way there...should have looked closer at the tires though ;)

I don't think I have EVER heard of a similar case to this one!
 
starise said:
I enjoyed the show. I could tell Chris was knowledgable about the cattle mutilations. I would love to know more about that subject.
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Funny you should mention it, I am writing a book about the mute mystery that will be out this Fall. I've been researching it for almost 20 years...
Here's my working book cover... it may change, but I kinda like it the way it is.

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Ardy's a story collector. I wouldn't even go so far as to call her a "social scientist" and if she were she wasn't doing "social scientific" work when collecting the stories for this book. This book is clearly "for entertainment purposes only." If you're looking for the answer to the UFO mystery in this book (Angelo) you're only going to frustrate yourself. If you like a good story around a campfire I'm sure this book will be for you. If you're looking for solid research and evidence to convince yourself that UFO's are real (or not) this book, and those like it, is not for you. In fact if you're a seriously critical thinker, or even a skeptic, NO book is for you. You should go do your own research (gasp! I know, "Let's not get carried away, now.")

About the only 'research' function this book could take would be a list of leads a researcher may follow if he was doing more grounded work, but you'd have to track down some of the American Indians Ardy interviewed and follow up on their stories. Fat-chance with that as most (i.e. ALL) American Indians are tight-lipped toward those outside their culture.

In the ghost hunting arena books like this are a dime-a-dozen; story books of tales abound on bookshelves, but there's no striving for answers, at least from a scientific perspective. Answer's come in the form of belief stated as fact, in that realm, but it's still just belief.

So stop frustrating yourself if you think Ardy Sixkiller Clark's book is going to offer anything in the realm of scientific evidence, or pathways to prove or disprove UFO's. Take it for what it is...a book of simple stories.
 
Chris, I'll be sure to check that book out when it's ready. I have heard everything from aliens doing genetic work, to pharmaceutical companies involved in black projects, to satanic cults.
 
Christopher O'Brien said:
Funny you should mention it, I am writing a book about the mute mystery that will be out this Fall. I've been researching it for almost 20 years...
Here's my working book cover... it may change, but I kinda like it the way it is.
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The top text looks bloody. Aren't those mutes often drained and bloodless? Really like the glowing cow in the sky. Where are the helicopter strings?

I can't wait for you to interview yourself in the fall on this book. Are you willing to share your final analysis on what you feel is the best point(s) of origin for this mystery?
 
I actually loved Ardy on the show - it continues to be one of my favorites. I was a bit upset that Gene and Chris kept pressing her for "evidence"... some guests deserve to be put in the hot seat, but Ms. Sixkiller did not. Cleary she is relating stories and not a researcher looking for evidence...she doesn't need it because wait for it - she actually believes that people are telling the truth. Yes, we cannot prove or disprove something with a story, but they still have their value. Also, why in the world would she share the names of the people who told her these stories? I wouldn't even share their names if they gave me permission because in about 5 minutes some yahoo "researchers" would be bugging the crap out of them. Native Americans have a different way of looking at the world than white Americans do...a story is often believed to be the truth and no evidence is needed. By the way, she donates proceeds of all her book sales (she writes children's books that retell tribal stories) to a scholarship that she created at Montana University to aid American Indians and she has about the coolest name ever. :)
 
We will always ask the questions, but some were concerned that we didn't ask hard enough questions. You can't win with this sort of thing.
 
Christopher O'Brien said:
Second-guessed and vilified if we try and get as much documentation and proof as we can— chastised, dissed and pooh-pooed if we don't ask the hard questions... it's difficult being all things for all peeps, but imo we manage to walk that line pretty effectively.
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Second-guessed, vilified and even pooh-pooed...I only said I was a "bit" upset, pretty sure there was no vilifying going on there, but I apologize if it came off that way. ;) As I mentioned it was one of my favorite shows and I was only a little bothered by your track of questioning. At the time of the show I was not a member of the forums and I'm just now learning my way around them and that they can be akin to a minefield. I've been listening to the Paracast for over a year now and YOU GUYS are the only such show I listen to because you do a great job!
Unfortunately, my post looks like a rant (one of the joys of discussing things on the internet is loss of context), but that wasn't my intent. I was actually posting after reading some of the dismissive comments people posted that seemed to question her motives and stated they disliked the show - I didn't "quote" any of those specific comments because there were too many. You guys do have the impossible job and you shouldn't try to be all things to everyone - just keep truckin' and doing what you're doing and I for one will keep listening. :)
 
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