Ardy Sixkiller Clarke

[wwkirk]

Amazing stories, but with no corroboration or evidence. I notice she has written ten children's book. I guess she's just a story teller.

 

[TalkingMeatSuit]

Yes - she didn't have notarized documents from the CIA stating that all these cases were factual. Sorta sucks, but I wish they didn't spend the entire 2nd half of the show beating that fact like a dead horse. Once or twice is enough. I was impressed with the number of ways they came up with to mention this fact and ask about it over, and over, and over. Paracast is so hit and miss lately.

 

[Jimi H.]

Here are my comments, moved them from the questions-thread to this thread, where they belong:

Thanks for including a couple of my questions, thanks for the opportunity. It is quite surreal to sit here across the pond, and then hearing my questions being put forth in U.S. paranormal radio. I'd never have thunk it!

I'm not too surprised that Clarke's focus was on storytelling, less on proving anything to the outside world. But she made no bones about her lack of 'evidence', so I won't hold it against her. But then not too much of substance for the field comes of her reporting, of course.

That said, she seems to be a pleasant and well-spoken woman, and I liked hearing her stories from a contemporary culture (todays Am. Indian culture) which we don't hear too much about in the daily media.

It's always fun to hear new angles on weird stuff, and the automotive aliens seems to be a new one? Is that how the alien MIBs get their wheels?

Also, the suggestion that aliens chase around hairy creatures seemed a new one. A new twist, at least. Is Earth the site of para-normal sport hunting?

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

I wish they didn't spend the entire 2nd half of the show beating that fact like a dead horse...Paracast is so hit and miss lately.

The whole second half of the show? That's a gross overstatement, if I ever heard one. 'Scuse us gentle poster for your inquiring hosts attempting to get her to divulge locations, occupations or just a state where a "story" allegedly occurred. Facts are facts, stories are just that, "stories." It's our job to pull as much out of our guests as possible.
Some of our critics are so hit-and-miss lately.

 

[Jimi H.]

Yes - she didn't have notarized documents from the CIA stating that all these cases were factual. Sorta sucks, but I wish they didn't spend the entire 2nd half of the show beating that fact like a dead horse. Once or twice is enough. I was impressed with the number of ways they came up with to mention this fact and ask about it over, and over, and over. Paracast is so hit and miss lately.

Well, I guess it depends what you're looking for, good stories or something of strong value to the field?

I think it's fair enough to point out that trusting individual witness accounts (ala the gent who supposedly received silver dollars from aliens) does not really cut it for many UFO-researchers/afficionados. If she had allowed that all the stories may not be true, it would be easier for the hosts to lay off it, I imagine. But she said she trusted the individuals and left it at that.
So, I think she needs to decide for herself if she wants to simply collect folk-lore or if she wants to build a case of 'Starpeople' being real. Her attitude is probably perfect for the former, but in the latter case, she won't get anywhere far if she won't even reveal locations for the stories, for instance. I think it's fine if someone makes that clear to her, the hosts were being very respectful doing so imo.

Anyways, I guess we all have different expectations and goals, something that becomes apparent in an instance like this one.

 

[nameless]

Interesting guest, an important person in gaining trust and gathering folklore. I havent read the books but i'm guessing they dont stop at being just a written account of peoples stories, that Ardy may stick in a bit of ETH supposition which would severely taint the collection with the alien brown stick. It is important to gather peoples stories and accounts, it is another to taint them with your own interpretation, leading questions, front loading and death by association. With all the paracast guests they remain important because we can gain something from the encounter, sometimes its harder to discern what the good thing is, but it is there.(i think).

 

[DaveM]

Sorry to disagree with you Chris, but you did press Ms. Clarke and she did reply that on second thought she should have asked these people for permission to give more details. She did say that she was repeating stories told to her, nothing more. She never claimed to be a researcher of the paranormal. If she produced photographs of any thing she spoke of, would you believe any of it? Photos in the digital age are so easy to falsify. She also stated her promised word was her bond not to repeat details of the stories she was told. I respect her for not buckling under and giving away confidences. There have been plenty of bogus guests on the Paracast who I would have questioned more thoroughly than Ms. Clarke.

 

[roadrunner]

It was nice to hear the author and the additional accounts from Central America.
I personally enjoyed the personal narrative format. You can really get a sense of the emotion these people were feeling.
Also, how many thousands of UFO accounts read date, time, location, followed by a summarized version of the event?

Did it seem to anyone else who read the book that there was more communication between the star beings and Indian people in some of the accounts vs. mainstream literature?

 

[wwkirk]

Regarding the non interference principle. Don't the Native Americans have a tradition that says they were taught by the star people? If so, non interference must be a recent policy.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Or a myth.

 

[mike]

I enjoyed the episode and storys.
Do they bring us any closer to understanding the enigma

No

But the value in recording these stories is for me this

Sometime in the future we may have the answers, and it will be valuable to compare these stories and speculations with the reality when that time comes

 

[ElmoFUD]

Seems to me that the credibility of the author and the stories is based on nothing more than convincing the reader that all involved are earnest and honest with nothing to gain. Thin gruel to be sure, but I do remind myself that Ardy Sixkiller Clarke has presented us with every bit as much evidence as has, oh...for example, Ray Stanford.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

... Ardy Sixkiller Clarke has presented us with every bit as much evidence as has, oh...for example, Ray Stanford.

WRONG! I went to fetch the post Ray Stanford: White Sands July 19, 1978 Scientific Evidence off a previous Paracast Forum post, but it has somehow disappeared. Here is a version from another site...

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Ray Stanford: White Sands July 19, 1978 Scientific Evidence​

Description: Between 10:50 and 11:25 PM, Central Daylight Savings Time, on July 19, 1978, the mobile UFO monitoring and recording laboratory and its three-person crew, were stopped on the north side of New Mexico Highway 380, which parallels the north edge of White Sands Proving Ground. The project's instruments were set up and operating at around 31 miles east of north-south Interstate Highway 25, and about 42 highway miles out of Socorro, New Mexico. The three-member field crew and its instruments (including a recording ELF magnetometer, a recording gravimeter, a spectrographic camera, and a telephoto film camera, and two audio recorders) were watching, listening-to, and recording two deep-red UFOs shaped very much like the object that had landed at Socorro, New Mexico, just over 14 years earlier, on April 24, 1964.​

Time Elapse photo: The two red-glowing objects with detached equally red coronas (absent only for an arc of an estimated 40 degrees in the travel direction), were doing "show-off"-like maneuvers impossible for any known terrestrially-sourced aircraft, in front of huge, light-sequencing panels set up by some government operation, a little way below the top of high Oscura Peak, which dominates the north portion of White Sands.

Once, while moving in the same direction, one red object sped up to catch the other, whereupon they seemed to attach to one-another and began spinning around a common axis that seemed to coincide with the direction of travel. The [time elapsed] images you see here were recorded on 35 mm Ektachrome film while they were 'docked'.

During straight-ahead motion, no sound was heard from the objects, but in association with either of the two objects making a visually instantaneous reversal of direction (or, for that matter in connection with an equally instantaneous 90-degree turn), an approximately seven-second, awesomely loud rumble with deep, ground-shaking low frequency components, was heard, felt, and recorded. [audio recording to be posted this Sunday]

The analog graphs of the recorded extreme low-frequency (ELF) UFO-generated magnetic fields of the two UFOs, short segments of which are shown here, clearly show seven-second jumps in magnetic field magnitude in association with each reversal of direction, and strongly suggest that magnetic flux changes redirecting plasma flow for the direction change caused the approximate seven-second rumble, due to induced temporary instabilities in what at other times was a very quiet shock-free magneto-plasmadynamic (MPD) flow.

Soon after the 7-19-78 event, the audio recordings of the turn-related rumble were played for a Ph.D. plasma physicist, had asked to hear the recordings. He immediately declared, "Perfect!", explaining that change in in MPD flux required for such visually instantaneous changes of direction, would, of necessity, create temporary shock phenomena in the plasma, and that the recorded sounds were exactly what he would expect under such conditions.

The film-recorded single-line with line-splitting light spectra of the two UFOs confirms light emission in a very high-energy magnetic and/or intense electrical field, and both conditions would be present in the MPD field strongly suggested by the other phenomena as described above.

Ray Stanford
Founder and Director
Organization for Physical UFO Science
College Park, Maryland, USA

[Eight days later, in AZ, they captured more scientific data—this second event occurred just over the mountains from my current neck of the woods—chris]​

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The following slide shows analog graphs of the simultaneous output from both the magnetometer (detects and records magnetic field changes in the extreme low-frequency range) and the gravimeter (detects and records changes in acceleration due to gravity), during the visual and movie-filmed (on Kodak Super 8 mm film) encounter by my project mobile laboratory and our three-person crew (It included me.) with a very long 'mothership', 'stargate' or whatever it might be called, and associated 'shuttles', which seemed to just pop into view beside or near the 'mothership'.​

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So, please read the following necessarily abbreviated account of the event:​

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On the afternoon of July 27, 1978, we had driven the lab vehicle into the Prescott National Forest until the road we were on ended at high altitude on what we think was the Skull Valley Overlook. We waited there watching the daylight sky with the magnetometer and gravimeter sensors into passive (not recording) monitoring mode and carefully watched the sky for several hours. Tiring of the non-productive hours, we decided to wind up the long shielded cables of both sensors (magnetometer and gravimeter), put the equipment back in the vehicle, and head into Prescott.​

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Just as we were putting the last item back in the vehicle, I declared in frustration, "I KNOW those bastards. Just as sure as this stuff in all in, they will show up." Within ten seconds, one of the two other crew members shouted, pointing high almost above us. "Look! Look at that thing up there!"​

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Just as I had half joked, high up was a white spherical-looking object (about 1/5 the moon's angular size, or ~ 6 arc minutes), moving in sine wave (look it up if needed) path at maybe five degrees per second into our northwest! We grabbed the sensors and cable rolls, and rushed them out to their proper positions and deployments, but before things were readied, the object had darted into the near-top of a rather isolated cumulonimbus 'thunder cloud', an estimated 90 miles away to our northwest, in the approximate direction of Winslow, Arizona.​

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By the time I manually turned on the mag-grav unit, there was only typical background ELF magnetic activity, so I set the trigger threshold far up the gauge from that and turned the unit onto passive monitoring. If ELF magnetic pulses above the set threshold level were to occur, the unit would turn itself on and start simultaneously recording sensor output from the magnetometer, the gravimeter, the WWVB date and time signal from the National Bureau of Standards broadcast from Fort Collins, Colorado, and a reference tone. I set the machine so that it would also alert us by putting out an audio-frequency analog of the ELM effects being detected.​

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At about 6:24.5 PM (The sun was still well up in the sky, as it was summer.), the magnetometer analog audio began blasting out strong audio pulses, and the needle showed me that the signal was very strong and far above even the high threshold I had set earlier. We looked around but at first saw nothing, when suddenly one of us spotted a long, narrow something coming out of that distant cumulonimbus cloud into which the white object had disappeared minutes before. The long, narrow object with an aspect ratio (length to thickness) of maybe as 20-30 to 1, 'parked' itself to the south of the cloud, with, all the while, bright 'something' pulsing rapidly off that south end.​

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I grabbed the sound-recording movie camera and started filming, while recording the background audio analog output from the magnetometer on the film soundtrack. From time to time, sudden bursts into visibility by smaller objects occurred, right beside or very near what we now realized must be a 'mothership'. That was as at the estimated 90 miles away, but you can see one of the seemingly huge delta-like objects (with a corona) that suddenly popped into view there, in the upper-right of this slide.​

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In the two simultaneous analog graphs, from both magnetometer (top) and gravimeter (below), we can immediately see the very strong correlation between the magnetic and the gravimetric effects during specifically spikes of very short duration. Each little square represents 1/25th second, so count five of the larger squares of five small ones each, and you can see what one second of sensor input looks like.​

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The data recorded in this event (there are many yards of analog graph) have been analyzed by a physicist and engineer at Design Technology Corporation that produced the dual unit, and we were told that the gravimeter output cannot be accounted for by 'channel cross-talk' (a technical term) nor can it be explained my magnetic induction by the UFO magnetic effects (Keep in mind, too, that cables were shielded from magnetic and electrical pulses.). One fact supporting that conclusion is the relative height of short-duration spikes in the gravimeter sensor output, as contrasted with relatively short correlated spikes in the magnetometer sensor output.​

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The exaggeration of the spike in the gravimeter sensor output (relative to it in the magnetic) was explained as due to inertia of the sensor mass in the gravimeter sensor. The inertial effect would not be in evidence if the sensor were operating within the frequency range for which it was designed, but those particular spikes were of such short duration that the effect of sensor mass inertia shows up in the signal output.​

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later, to be sure, my project had the magnetic and gravitic data analyzed by our staff Ph.D. physicist and by two engineers. One was a mechanical engineer, the other, an electrical engineer. THEY EACH CONCURRED WITH THE MANUFACTURER, THAT THE GRAVIMETER SENSOR OUT-PUT REPRESENTS ACTUAL WAVES OF CHANGE IN ACCELERATION DUE TO GRAVITY. The same is true for the recordings made during the 35-minute two-UFO encounter, on the north edge of the White Sands Proving Ground, about eight days earlier, very late in the night of July 19, 1978.​

You can be like Lance, take a cursory look and say this is just "pseudo-science," or you can entertain the possibility that maybe there are folks out there that have approached analytical field-work w/ gear, knowledge and observational acuity combined w/ insightful analysis of fortunate events.

 

[Skymon876]

I smell a troll invasion. The forum is under attack.

 

[Secretbanana]

Ah yes, Ray Stanford.... He and his amazing UFO evidence and pin sharp pictures and movies that clearly show UFOs.

Just too bad that he can't release it, because "it needs to be done right" something that has taken over thirty years.

(In all fairness though, a good part of that time he was busy in a cult channeling Jesus, and writing books about channeling. Something that clearly takes time away from proper, peer reviewed science, as we can all imagine!)

I have an interview with JFKs real killer. I'll release it when Stanford releases his UFO "evidence"

See, it's easy to make outrageous claims without any corroborating evidence. Something that Sixkiller-Clarke is clearly doing. The thing that really made me suspicious, besides her lame excuse about why she couldn't get a picture of a silver dollar, was her defensive exclamation that: "Nobody was telling her made up stories" or something to that effect, when Gene asked her how she could tell the people just telling her tall tales, from the people with genuine experiences.

Oh really? Everybody was completely honest? Sounds to me like she's a little too gullible, or willfully ignorant, since she never ran into a tall tale. Surely SOMEBODY tried telling her a fib along the way...

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

I smell a troll invasion. The forum is under attack.

Here they come, those droll trolls in the night... wake me up when they get bored and slide back into those secret banana holes from whence they came...

 

[Secretbanana]

A wise man once said: Troll accusations are the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Running out of arguments, Chris?

Surely you must have smelled a rat, when Ardy Sixkiller-Clarke started to talk about bigfoots in Guatemala, and you incredously pointed out that this was the first time you'd heard about such a thing...

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I'm definitely not a troll, and I've been criticizing Stanford for years. Chris, just because someone does not think Ray is as great as you think he is, does not mean he is a troll.

 

[Mastastic]

One of the most interesting stories from her book wasn't discussed (Snow plow driver picking up someone/something to "save" the hitchhiker from freezing to death), and I hope that she is brought back again to talk about some of the other stories that were missed.

Her book is just a collection of stories, no more, no less. I think she is writing books on a subject that she hasn't really researched. She comes across in the book as a blind believer that doesn't have to see any evidence to know that it's true (paraphrasing something Dr. Clarke stated in the book).

I also find it interesting that she completely stonewalled Chris when he asked about her personal experiences. She seemed to get a touch defensive at sharing that story, so I wonder if she has even experienced something high strange.

 

[mike]

Like Angelo. my opinion doesnt by default make me a troll.

Ardy made no claims regards evidence, She presented her stories as..... stories

As ive already said their value in bringing us closer to understanding the enigma, is virtually nil.
But she was honest about the nature of her tales, these are just tales told to her by people she interviewed, no smoking gun claims.

Stanford on the otherhand claims to have game changing evidence....... but he wont show us

Totally different scenario.

One is, what it is, nothing more nothing less. It doesnt raise any red flags for me

Stanford on the other hand does, the reasons given as to why he wont release this powerful evidence he claims to have make no sense to me, and as such one is left to surmise alternative reasons as to why he doesnt.

April 1, 2012 -- Chris Lambright and Ray Stanford

Still waiting...................