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ton ton

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Hi everyone, I am a long time listener and first time poster.

Are there really crashed UFO's ?

If you were and advanced alien race would you leave a crashed UFO for the natives to back engineer? I think I may go and collect it whatever the cost.

You may say it would be the same as handing the keys for a nuclear submarine to Columbus and asking him to build another one, but if the claims are true and we back engineered fibre optics and transistors then it not really the same.

Can you imagine the USA crashing a stealth bomber overseas and not trying to collect it, I think not.

Then again are they waiting until we get too advanced and then press the delete button on earth!
 
ton ton said:
Hi everyone, I am a long time listener and first time poster.

Are there really crashed UFO's ?

If you were and advanced alien race would you leave a crashed UFO for the natives to back engineer? I think I may go and collect it whatever the cost.

You may say it would be the same as handing the keys for a nuclear submarine to Columbus and asking him to build another one, but if the claims are true and we back engineered fibre optics and transistors then it not really the same.

Can you imagine the USA crashing a stealth bomber overseas and not trying to collect it, I think not.

Then again are they waiting until we get too advanced and then press the delete button on earth!
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That's a great point. The only thing is that, once we recover a crashed ship, would it not cause more problems if they came here to take it back?

Or maybe they've done that, and to quote a common conspiracy theory, we're working with "them" secretly.

So many questions -- so few answers.
 
I think what I am getting at is what do they have to lose if they come back to collect? Mayhem on earth sure but unless we are a pet study why would they care.

I am still not sure why a highly advanced race capable of interstellar travel would want to interact with a barbaric bunch of grown up monkeys other then the fact the earth may be a goldfish bowl with the passers by looking in.
 
ton ton said:
I am still not sure why a highly advanced race capable of interstellar travel would want to interact with a barbaric bunch of grown up monkeys other then the fact the earth may be a goldfish bowl with the passers by looking in.
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Well, as is often discussed here, you're assuming they're extra-terrestrial and not crypto-terrestrial, extra-dimensional or extra-temporal entities. You're also assuming one technological marvel (space travel) means they are way more advanced than we are generally.
 
CapnG said:
Well, as is often discussed here, you're assuming they're extra-terrestrial and not crypto-terrestrial, extra-dimensional or extra-temporal entities. You're also assuming one technological marvel (space travel) means they are way more advanced than we are generally.
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My 2.5 cents (an extra half-cent, since David and I own this board :rolleyes:): I think that the ability to travel through space or in our atmosphere would indicate a lot of scientific knowledge beyond ours, particularly when it comes to metallurgy, computers and propulsion systems.

None of this has anything to do with where they come from, of course, or what decisions they might make in order to recover their damaged goods or associate with our governments (public, secret, or otherwise).
 
Ah but Gene, how advanced is advanced? Compare us today with us two hundred years ago, hell with us 50 years ago. Not alot of time but I'm sure you'd agree a humungous difference technologically.
 
CapnG said:
Ah but Gene, how advanced is advanced? Compare us today with us two hundred years ago, hell with us 50 years ago. Not alot of time but I'm sure you'd agree a humungous difference technologically.
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Consider how long UFOs have been around, and then consider how any advanced society would continue to advance over that period.
 
In terms of odds, and thinking in terms of ETs, the odds that they are about our age, or the same level of advancement seems small. Most life out there will either be far below us, or way ahead. Expecting et life to be close to our age is a bit like going to the mall and expecting to have someone come up to you born on the same day and year, just a different hour. It's more likely the person's age will be on a different day, if not year.

There is an exception to the above. One being, that maybe ets take more of an interest in visiting other life that is close to their age or level of advancement. Perhaps ets that are a billion years ahead of us, rather hang around beings more mature:)
 
Gene Steinberg said:
Consider how long UFOs have been around, and then consider how any advanced society would continue to advance over that period.
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Doesn't that mean assuming the ufos of bygone eras are the same ones from the same source we see now?
 
ton ton said:
If you were and advanced alien race would you leave a crashed UFO for the natives to back engineer? I think I may go and collect it whatever the cost.
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Maybe they just don't care...their "equipment" is expendable to them, or maybe they think we're too dumb to back-engineer their technology.
 
or my personal favourite, the tech was "crashed/seeded" here specifically so we could reverse engineer it and eventually create a synthetic intelligence, the intended product of this particular planetary petri dish all along.
 
The crashed saucer stories put a huge question mark on all of the "underground/underwater alien base" stories. That is to say, if these creatures have bases on the Earth, surely they would know about and recover a crash almost immediately after it happened. If they're close and are interested in staying hidden, of course they will recover the crashes before us. And no doubt the ships zooming around our planet are in communication with the main bases. The second a ship goes down, the damned guys back at the base will be saddling up.

There are a handful of possibilities, considering the above. This list is not exhaustive.

1) There are no secret bases. Friendlies cannot get here before we pick up the crashed saucers due to travel time.

2) There are no crashed saucers.

3) The crashes have been planted by hostile beings as part of a larger deception. (a particularly scary possibility)

4) The technology self-destructs past the point of recovery after a crash. This ensures minimal damage control of valuable technology falling into primitive hands.
 
mike said:
or my personal favourite, the tech was "crashed/seeded" here specifically so we could reverse engineer it and eventually create a synthetic intelligence, the intended product of this particular planetary petri dish all along.
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If their goal was to create a synthetic intelligence, they could simply send over some Von Neumann probes to do it immediately.
 
Chuckleberryfinn said:
If their goal was to create a synthetic intelligence, wouldn't they would just send over some Von Neumann probes to do it immediately?
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i imagine that a synthetic intelligence could easily clone itself, but any debate or intellectual discourse with the copy would be limited, it would be like talking to yourself, no new ideas or data.
by seeding the components for synthetic intelligence into suitable biospheres, the resulting product would inherit the "flavour" of the particular bioform that nurtures and "births" it.
thus creating a synthetic intelligence, with its own distinctive "ethnic" traits.
to use the flavour analogy again if you were only trained in and had the ingredients for say french cooking, then suddenly getting a bag of chinese takeaway would be a delightful new experience.
the unique nature of this particular beastie is that it would be made from "human numbers" so to speak

alternatively what better way to data probe a species, than to give them computers and then syphon the data off at your leisure, we ourselfves send "instrument packages" to the moon and mars. devices that collect data and transmit it back home
animals in the wild fitted with tracking collars are only aware of the limited physical aspects of the device, its weight and location around the neck would be recognised, but the data uploaded and the purpose to which the data was used would be intangible to the animal wearing it

(as an aside, ive only been a member of this forum a short time, but i really appreciate the exchange of ideas i see here. so id like to thank the owners and participants for making this great place .Thank You)
 
I think it's quite feasible that some if not all technology that's been recovered has been taken back. Knowing what I know of human looking vistors, hybrid and MIB encounters it seems to me that the visitors could easily orchestrate situations in which the military believed they were handing off the materials to the proper authorities when in fact it was just passed back to the visitors. Wouldn't that be something if biggest reason for lack of disclosure is nobody knew where to point the finger to find the proof because no human being actually has the technology any more.
 
I wonder if a cave man could reverse engineer my toaster. Makes you wonder how much technology we'd be able to implement into our own from a downed saucer. If they have toasters on board, then we're in for a chance
 
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