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Are the Greys just some kind of fancy dress?

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This is a bit of a far out idea I had while listening to the latest paracast episode. Could the standard Greys and other standard types of aliens (reptiles etc) just be some kind of fancy dress, disguise or illusion. Perhaps they are trying to look like what we expect aliens to look like based on sci-fi films and tv. Why would they do this?
Well maybe they are so different to us that they have to use "fancy dress" to communicate with us.

Any thoughts?
 
That's an interesting thought, and it jives well with the so-called unified theory of the paranormal in which all encounters (ghosts, aliens, monsters, etc.) are in fact with some sort of cosmic, paranormal tricksters. Following this line of thought, said paranormal intelligences/entities would then choose to appear in the form where they could play the most havoc and perhaps create the most fear. So, angel one day, alien another, etc.

While this thought experiment has a certain draw to it, and I've heard David and Gene discuss such possibilities on the show, I don't tend to subscribe to it. From what I can tell, most aliens are biological entities with fixed physical forms, not shape-changing astral presences. YET, it would help explain why different types of aliens are seen in different parts of the world, such as the preponderance of grays in North America, dwarf-like beings in South America, Nordics in Europe, etc. It lends credence to the idea that we what our cultural conditioning wants to see. Further, when you think of the grays and their commonality in North America, it does seem to coincide a bit with the release of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

I better stop, or I'm going to change my own mind. Food for thought.
 
Interesting, I don't know about the "play the most havoc and perhaps create the most fear" part.

Also I think these creatures (aliens or whatever) are probably physical and solid beings, but are using their technology to appear in a way we can more easily understand and are more familiar with, today thats Grey Aliens, 2000 years ago perhaps it was Zeus or something. Perhaps the Greys are just a special effect or robots and no one has ever seen the real puppet masters controlling them.
 
Well, if you go with popular thought these days, the small grays are indeed programmable life forms or mass-produced androids of some sort, and the tall grays are their overseers.

I've read a lot of that stuff where different types of aliens supposedly work in conjunction, were grays are working with reptillians who are working with select nordics who are working with the human military, etc etal. I find this quite unlikely. In fact, I find it easier to stomach the idea that reptillians, if real, are cryptoterrestrials, and grays, if real, are extraterrestrials. I think we are far too quick to lump all these beings into one space faring camp, when some are are probably from underground, some from under the ocean, some from outer space, some from other diminsions, etc.

I think it's curious to look at what we can know, and make some extrapolations based on that. It does appear that some of these beings are from somewhere else than earth, because of sighting on the moon, high earth orbit, near Mars, etc.

The extradiminsional entities, especially those known to occult practitioners, that have no native physical form, do appear to be tricksters and will alter their apparant form and say whatever is necessary to have their way. These astral intelligences are the ones that seem most likely to feed off fear and strong human emotions. Through time, we've referred to them as succubus, elves, vampires, etc. These will show you a friendly face before they take advantage of you.
 
Scott Story said:
Well, if you go with popular thought these days, the small grays are indeed programmable life forms or mass-produced androids of some sort, and the tall grays are their overseers.
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Maybe that thought is popular, but that doesn't make it right. The greys are not "programmable life forms", but highly intelligent beings with a hive consciousness. In their behavioural patterns, they are more comparable to insects than to humans.
 
Well, we don't really know what, if anything, they are. Some have theorized they are closer to plants than animals on a cellular level, and feed live off the sun like plants do. Some have theorized that the small grays are individually not that bright, and have IQ's around 80. As far as hive brains and group thinking, this a real potential, and group IQ would be higher than individual IQ. Or, they could be under the remote command of the tall, fully biological grays.

My point is, we have no idea. I think they probably are flesh and blood creatures, but probably mass cloned with various models specialized to different tasks. This is merely supposition on my part, because I have never seen on or (thank goodness) seen one autopsied.

I like the idea that they are plant-based life forms, and use photosynthesis for sustenance. This is not a "belief" on my part, but a hypothesis that currently makes sense to me.
 
Im of the view that by the time a bio form develops the technology for intersteller space flight it would also have developed and used the technology to reshape itself genetically.
as we can see from our own space programes providing for the needs and comforts of the human bio form in space is a tricky and resource heavy proposition.
it would be more efficient to find some middle ground and tailor both the bio form and the equipment to best suit the task.
 
Just plugging Dimensions by Jacques Vallee again. They could be anything, but we have to take his view into account too. There is a well researched history of entities that fly, feed us, take us away, pop into and out of existence, scare us, trick us, lie to us, etc. He isn't of the opinion they are not real, but real in a sense we simply can't fully understand.

The book, along with two more, have been reprinted which is probably why we're getting to hear him in interviews lately. His study is relevant to current issues and he doesn't ignore the high strangeness that drives most ufo researches mad.

From the book:

The UFO occupants, like the elves of old, are not extraterrestrials. They are denizens of another reality.
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The book makes a good case.
 
Well, that is a current line of thought throughout the community that looks for a single source for the paranormal.

You could look at this way, I suppose: These beings liver in superposition, as uncollapsed waveforms; when sentient beings observe them, the observation collapsed the wave form and the being is then determined by the observer. It's all very Schroedinger's cat, really. After the encounter, the being goes back to superposition, and uncollapsed wave, just as the cat enters that state when you put him in the box.

Sounds like a bunch of quantum mysticism malarky? Yes, and no. That is the nature of the world that we most likely inhabit, where consciousnous is most likely a trigger that toggles the wave/particle form.

BUT, if real UFOs have crashed, and been retrieved and back engineered, then I think it very unlikely that these are merely formless, undefined forces that suddenly takes on form and function of advanced technology that can be used and studied. If it was, how would technology greater than man's own be created by human observation? The outcomes of that would be staggeringly weird and exceptionally unlikely.

It's my guess that we are looking at two unrelated fields, that of material and biological beings, and that of undefined intelligences waiting to be observed, and never shall the twain meet.
 
Scott Story said:
That's an interesting thought, and it jives well with the so-called unified theory of the paranormal in which all encounters (ghosts, aliens, monsters, etc.) are in fact with some sort of cosmic, paranormal tricksters.
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I am curious to read Jeff Ritzmann's comments on this statement. Jeff?
 
Scott wrote:

BUT, if real UFOs have crashed, and been retrieved and back engineered, then I think it very unlikely that these are merely formless, undefined forces that suddenly takes on form and function of advanced technology that can be used and studied. If it was, how would technology greater than man's own be created by human observation? The outcomes of that would be staggeringly weird and exceptionally unlikely.
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I guess we really have no more proof of their having been crashed, retrieved, and back engineered. Yes, there are many who tell us that, but their stories are all we have.

I don't find it impossible that people like Tesla could have opened many scientific doors that would eventually lead to technological leaps, given that the black budget, not just rumored to exist, has been at play for many, many years.

Also, if we accept that disinformation has been proffered to steer the public, to the UNreality of ufos, it stands to reason that we may have also been led down the blind alley that they are as real as the noses on our faces.

I don't mean to suggest that these entities are not real. I also don't mean to suggest that they are spritely little, dumb wizards nor wave/particles. I think it may be possible that they are highly intelligent and from a dimension to which we have no access, one so different from anything we know as to make them seem magical. I think it might be possible that they are in fact fleshy! LOL

Vallee points out that historical research into these entities prove they are more abundant at times of great historical upheavals throughout recorded history. There were many more tales of paranormal happenings when civilizations collapsed, for instance. On a smaller scale, the entity Mothman and a ufo wave occurred before the collapse of the bridge in West Virginia. History seems to show that the paranormal events, such as entities appearing in the sky, occurred in greater numbers prior to earthly collapses. It's as though we get an audience filling the bleachers prior to a show. Maybe the explosion of the first A Bomb signaled or heralded our possible collapse.

I have no idea if Vallee is correct, but he has a theory that plays well with all aspects of the phenomenon, maddening as it is. It's at least something to consider, especially after having actually delved into his work. He isn't explaining anything with the wave/particle thing.
 
Well, I think the popularity of the quantum theory of paranormal is really coming into full force in the last couple of years, heralded by the What the Bleep and Secret movies. That was it's reall entre' into popular thought, from what I can tell. I don't know, to be honest, what Vallee has produced in recent years, and if he's even interested in the quantum stuff. I suspect he would be intrigued, but who knows.

I think the case for retrieved crashed ships is stronger than others, based on all the witness testimony. Did velcro, fiber optics, microchips, night vision, and a host of other stuff get back engineered from these? Don't know. But, in this scenario, I think it leads to the fleshy, physical nuts & bolts explanation.

Here's another way to look at the whole thing, even though it smacks of Matrix. There has been recent work suggesting that we are in fact a two-diminisional world projected onto a brane, one of infinite in the multiverse. The universe is made up of information, most likely binary, and our plane is where the brane bisects the greater information mass. We percieve the world in 3D, because that's our physiology to do so. Anyway, to follow this thought experiment out, the paranormal is made up of glitches, or quick reality rewrites (program patches, if you will) to the information grid.

I could go on about this very exciting theory, and parabolas and why 3D things collate well on a 2D surface, and all that stuff, but I think you get the idea. It's fun stuff, and I don't know if it's true or not, but it has real potential.
 
Yes, in Lynne MacTaggart's The Field (at least I think that's where I read it) one of the scientists she researches and reports on says our vision, being able to put objects in perspective rather than on a flat plane, is holographic in nature. If it were not, we couldn't tell how far away a beer can might be, couldn't judge the distance to pick it up, etc. We have a medical/scientific explanation for how light is handled within the eye, but it fails to explain perspective unless the hologram enters the picture.

So take the argument a little farther down that road. Maybe these entities not only have the same ability to create the same holographic world in which we deal, but have added dimension we cannot see, hear, feel, taste, or touch. Maybe we can only sense it sometimes, regardless that we cannot understand it.

I'm not trying to describe that ineffable consciousness, but simply a step higher than our holographic view, something ineffable only to us. I think a true flatlander would never comprehend our ability to operate in 3D. Maybe we haven't the rocks to go beyond what we know as real. I think we've only touched the surface for how we can do what we can do. On the quantum level, we are beginning to understand. At least our potential exists. That's pretty exciting.
 
Very well stated. I was going to draw that flatlander comparison, but you beat me to it. How we percieve a 5th Diminsional being would be as flawed (and full of high strangeness) as flatlanders would percieve 3d beings.

I rather hope that search for nature of consciousnous fills in a lot of gaps. My pet theory, wholly unsubstantiated (because I'm not a scientist! I'm an artist!) is that there is an yet undiscovered particle for consciousness. This could go a long way to explain OBE's, ghosts, non-human entities, and the like. Pure conjecture on my part, you understand, and probably not even an original idea.
 
Conjecture is all we gots!

Here's how Vallee puts what we've been discussing. It grabbed me because he say so much more eloquently what I was trying to say. (Bear in mind that this book is the first in a trilogy. He goes beyond this thought process into what he feels is a more expansive understanding of the various aspects of the ufo phenomenon today with volume 2, Communion and his third, Revelation. Those are shortened names of the books. Don't have them in front of me.)

Vallee said:

Whenever a set of unusual circumstances is presented it is in the nature of human mind to analyze it until a rational pattern is encountered at some level. But it is quite conceivable that nature should present us with the circumstances so deeply organized that our observational and logical errors would entirely mask the patterns to be identified. To the scientist, there is nothing surprising in this statement. The history of science consists in dual progress: the refinement of observational techniques and the improvement of analytical methods. On the other hand, the proposition that the universe might contain intelligent creatures exhibiting such an organization that no model of it could be constructed on the basis of current human concepts is also theoretically plausible. The observation of such beings would necessarily appear random or absurd or go undetected, especially if these beings possessed physical means of retiring at will beyond human perceptual range, or into other dimensions. Such physical actions would appear on scientific records as mere random accidents, easily ascribable to instrumental error or to a variety of natural causes.
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Emphasis is mine.

I imagine that ghost-like entities are of some different order, but I'm just guessing there too.

Added in edit, I think an artist is well equipped as any scientist at conjecture. Artists usually have a good grip on a place from which talent springs, if you ask me. I can't easily go where my artistic friends retire to for inspiration and the skillful mechanics displaying the content of their visions. Conjecture is vision.
 
I think Vallee's point is entirely sound. I forget who said it, but it goes along with that saying that sufficiently advanced science would appear to be magic to the uninitiated.

I got my degree in Medieval history, but I've been an illustrator for thirteen years now. I believe what artists bring to the table is exceptional observation skills (or at least "alternate" observations skills) and powerful visualization ability. While I consider these an advantage, I wouldn't go so far to say that these skills trump other skills that other truthseekers bring to the table. I think the greatest gift, besides curiosity, an investigator could have is the ability to wisely cut through the crap information and collate working hypothesis. It would be great to be much more insightful and intelligent, but I work with what I've got. (Note: This is not false modesty. I'm average in most regards, and cool with it.)
 
I agree with you, Scott. I just happen to wish I had a talent for converting to paper, canvass, whathaveyou, my vizualization (vision.)

Just ran across this from another website. R. A. Wilson had a handle on the human aspect of the question of extraterrestrials, at least a portion, though he isn't discussing that directly. Still, it's a beginning. I don't think we can leave out what we're beginning to understand about ourselves in relation to "them," as I mentioned previously. Maybe your particle theory is what is missing, who knows?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g9q6iyhY-4
 
RAW was an interesting guy, with a lot of good ideas.

I can also suggest Grant Morrison, who wrote the Invisibles, a series of graphic novels that were semi-autobiographical and semi-fictional. He suggested that aliens are made of pure information, and UFOs are the planets antibodies. Pretty impressive stuff. Morrison is a chaos magician and a subscriber of some sort of techno shamanism I can't really put a name to. He's pretty influenced by RAW, and William Burroughs, and all the cutting edge physics and fringe sciences.
 
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