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Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Not very magical, but curious at least. I wish he'd pan to a wider shot to get the context. And the video is pretty grainy. I really can't venture a guess about it. Too bad there's no commentary.
 
Well guys I have to say there is something about this footage that rings really true with me. I am always willing to declare a hoax and with this one a few points stand out.

There is no commentary. Someone making a hoax I think is likely to over-sell it as a UFO or spacecraft - obviously more interesting if the witness claims to be able to see what it is even if the video does not fully show.

At no point is any declaration made it's a UFO. It's like the guy recorded a moving light in the sky, probably trying to work out what it is or what it is not, before even coming to a conclusion that it might not be man-made.

No craft sound whatsoever that I can hear.

There is no strobes like with passenger and military jets.

The flight path also did not indicate a normal flight path, the only reason to reverse course at such a low altitude would probably be something when in the vicinity of an airfield. I am taking it that the witness knows he was not right next to an airport (in aircraft flight sense, say within 8 miles or so).
Possible a trick of the light or video artifact but when the craft goes from right to left, if you consider the light a clockface, from the 3 o'clock position straight out I seem to see some straight white glowing line light phenomena that seems to move outward and occasionally back in. As I said, this could be a number of things, including totally in my mind and nowhere else!
I had zero impression that I was looking at computer graphics anywhere. Although that fact alone does not preclude a hoax, I would imagine it reduces that chances significantly. It seems to be a video shot at night of an unexplained, silent, flying light. It is impossible to tell if there is a structured craft behind the light but for me, it would make most sense if that was indeed the case.
I felt that the light was larger than any normal, single aircraft light. Possible the whole structure emits light.

Of course none of this proves a thing and on the ground investigation is a must before any kind of declaration but for the sake of argument, without further data, I am calling it unexplained and not a hoax. I reserve the right to be as wrong as it is possible to be!

I would be interested to hear any follow up on this case....
 
goggsmackay said:
Well guys I have to say there is something about this footage that rings really true with me. I am always willing to declare a hoax and with this one a few points stand out.

There is no commentary. Someone making a hoax I think is likely to over-sell it as a UFO or spacecraft - obviously more interesting if the witness claims to be able to see what it is even if the video does not fully show.

At no point is any declaration made it's a UFO. It's like the guy recorded a moving light in the sky, probably trying to work out what it is or what it is not, before even coming to a conclusion that it might not be man-made.

No craft sound whatsoever that I can hear.

There is no strobes like with passenger and military jets.

The flight path also did not indicate a normal flight path, the only reason to reverse course at such a low altitude would probably be something when in the vicinity of an airfield. I am taking it that the witness knows he was not right next to an airport (in aircraft flight sense, say within 8 miles or so).
Possible a trick of the light or video artifact but when the craft goes from right to left, if you consider the light a clockface, from the 3 o'clock position straight out I seem to see some straight white glowing line light phenomena that seems to move outward and occasionally back in. As I said, this could be a number of things, including totally in my mind and nowhere else!
I had zero impression that I was looking at computer graphics anywhere. Although that fact alone does not preclude a hoax, I would imagine it reduces that chances significantly. It seems to be a video shot at night of an unexplained, silent, flying light. It is impossible to tell if there is a structured craft behind the light but for me, it would make most sense if that was indeed the case.
I felt that the light was larger than any normal, single aircraft light. Possible the whole structure emits light.

Of course none of this proves a thing and on the ground investigation is a must before any kind of declaration but for the sake of argument, without further data, I am calling it unexplained and not a hoax. I reserve the right to be as wrong as it is possible to be!

I would be interested to hear any follow up on this case....
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I am with you on this one.. it has me scratching my head, and thinking just maybe it is not a hoax and we have ourselves a genuine unexplained object.
However hopes have been dashed before so I will sit on the fence a bit longer and watch and read and dig. A hoaxer no matter how good or long it takes always shows their hand at some point. Truth stands on its own but lies need support and the bigger the lie the more support it needs.

But this one has me thinking.
 
Interesting:

A young man by the name of John Lenard Walson has discovered a new way to extend the capabilities of small telescopes and has been able to achieve optical resolutions - at almost the diffraction limit - not commonly achievable.​
The resulting astro-photographic video footage has revealed a raft of machines, hardware, satellites, spacecraft​
There are, indeed, hundreds of satellites in Earth orbit as you will read in the summary which follows. However, the images you will see are clearly of large and sizeable machines which have not been seen before.​
Let's start with one such object in orbit as videotaped by John Lenard Walson link below watch in high quality full screen​
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some moon film from me the link​
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Yes! I have seen many of these and they are far out distance-wise. No chance are they natural. Only rational (non ufo) explanation I can come up with is that they are actuall pieces of space junk trapped in orbit and are actually very small, but are being mistaken for being bigger at a greater distance.
I don't know what the cameraman used to determine distance. Shall have to investigate.
Very intriguing for sure. Word
 
At that sort of range and near diffraction I would say that size is a guess.. but for anything to show up then I would suspect that it would have to be of reasonable size wouldn't you think?

I have a very good scope (SAXON T F20012EQ5) and high power binoculars I can not say I have ever seen stuff like he is showing.

One would hope that it is not just a grain of pollen or a bug blown out to a crazy size :D

It also looks like he has run foul of the "Above top secret" gang... Could be an ok guy if he has :p
 
OK given what I have just read and watched from other people I ask this question:

Is it possible to hoax this sort of image using mirrors and heat to give a distant distorted look and in that case is it possible to use mirrors and a light source to fool, us into thinking that the light object is a large flying object when it could in fact be nothing more than a flash light reflection on a mirror (could account for the halo effect we see in the video)?
 
The fuzziness of the video easily makes a hoax possible. That's because you can't clearly see what you're looking at. The findings of the other sites are sufficient for me to abandon faith in the video. Not only has his previous work been shown suspect, but there's a profit motive as well.
 
wwkirk said:
The fuzziness of the video easily makes a hoax possible. That's because you can't clearly see what you're looking at. The findings of the other sites are sufficient for me to abandon faith in the video. Not only has his previous work been shown suspect, but there's a profit motive as well.
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That is where I am now sitting .......... *sigh* I get increasingly sick of the hoaxers
 
stonehart said:
That is where I am now sitting .......... *sigh* I get increasingly sick of the hoaxers
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I didn't pay any attention to who posted the video. I have observed similar objects in the sky here in Montana. In my opinion it is not a hoax. If a person has never seen them firsthand I can understand why they would not understand what it is they are looking at. This video was filmed 180 miles from where I live. Is it also a hoax?


commandorando123's Channel - YouTube
 
Voyager said:
I didn't pay any attention to who posted the video. I have observed similar objects in the sky here in Montana. In my opinion it is not a hoax. If a person has never seen them firsthand I can understand why they would not understand what it is they are looking at. This video was filmed 180 miles from where I live. Is it also a hoax?


commandorando123's Channel - YouTube
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The problem with the first video is not if it is a hoax itself but that a known hoaxer posted it which call it into question.
It is sad for if it is a real video then it has been tainted.

I have myself seen a similar object so I was hoping that this video would not turn out to be fake.. problem now is it is sitting in that no mans land of credibility.

Now the other video is fun and interesting.
 
I didn't notice that it was John Lenard Walson until it was pointed out in this forum. I haven't heard anything about him since he claimed to be filming those weird objects in space. Been one of those days. Winter has returned, snowed today, and bitterly cold. I might as well move to the North Pole. Shack up with an Eskimo gal, and eat whale blubber!
 
Voyager said:
I didn't notice that it was John Lenard Walson until it was pointed out in this forum. I haven't heard anything about him since he claimed to be filming those weird objects in space. Been one of those days. Winter has returned, snowed today, and bitterly cold. I might as well move to the North Pole. Shack up with an Eskimo gal, and eat whale blubber!
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winter... I have to ask what happened to our summer down here this year... just never happened
 
To many loose ends about Walson from what I read about Him through the link stonehart posted. Not that this video isn't interesting or valid UAP but the posters credibility and history are suspect. It's to bad there are so many hoaxers, but they are not going away so I guess we have to accept it as part of the process, plodding through the BS, to find out what's real or not.
 
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