At this point, I'd settle for this as evidence....

[Creepy Green Light]

I've been waiting since about 1979 to see a structured, daylight flying saucer video (that wasn't made by Billy Meier or George Adamski). And like you - I've been disappointed. But since there are 100's & 100's of stories of "high speed discs making impossible right angle turns on a dime" - can we at least see one of these videos? I give up on seeing a detailed, structured craft. There are 100's of video's of random blobs, blurs, smudges of light in the sky. Does one exist that shows this blob, blur, smudge of light doing an impossible right angle turn? If so - please post.

Thank you

 

[Randall]

I've been waiting since about 1979 to see a structured, daylight flying saucer video (that wasn't made by Billy Meier or George Adamski). And like you - I've been disappointed. But since there are 100's & 100's of stories of "high speed discs making impossible right angle turns on a dime" - can we at least see one of these videos? I give up on seeing a detailed, structured craft. There are 100's of video's of random blobs, blurs, smudges of light in the sky. Does one exist that shows this blob, blur, smudge of light doing an impossible right angle turn? If so - please post.

Thank you

I've given-up on video. No time to sift through the mountain of fakes, and even if there was one that seems real, for all we know it could be fake too. The only thing to do is hope that maybe you might spot one yourself, but I've only seen one thing I can say with certainty was a UFO in my life ( and I'm 59 now ). Some people never see them. Plus with all the drones and who knows what else they have now, it's getting harder and harder to discern between our tech and theirs.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

I've given-up on video. No time to sift through the mountain of fakes, and even if there was one that seems real, for all we know it could be fake too. The only thing to do is hope that maybe you might spot one yourself, but I've only seen one thing I can say with certainty was a UFO in my life ( and I'm 59 now ). Some people never see them. Plus with all the drones and who knows what else they have now, it's getting harder and harder to discern between our tech and theirs.

Good point. The other thing that's hard to comprehend is; there are millions of video cameras. They are everywhere. Since MULTIPLE police dash cams have caught the same meteorites falling - can't they just ONCE capture a flying disc? I don't know how many flaming meteorites flash through the worlds skies every day but supposedly 1000's of UFO's do per day. Not one dash cam has ever captured one?

The other thing is; commercial aircraft. The world has surpassed over 100,000 flights per day - 365 days a year. NOT ONE TIME has there been an episode where MULTIPLE people on the plane got to record solid, indisputable proof of a structured flying craft? It's always seems like if we do get footage, it's one guy that captured something -and that something is usually his photoshopped handiwork after the flight is over. You would think there would be a SURPLUS of scenario's where "Look on the news! Here's another story of how 30 people on one flight all got footage of the same object fairly close to the plane & the footage is good enough where you can see detail & structure of the craft." But yet - none exist.

 

[Randall]

Good point. The other thing that's hard to comprehend is; there are millions of video cameras. They are everywhere. Since MULTIPLE police dash cams have caught the same meteorites falling - can't they just ONCE capture a flying disc? I don't know how many flaming meteorites flash through the worlds skies every day but supposedly 1000's of UFO's do per day. Not one dash cam has ever captured one?

The other thing is; commercial aircraft. The world has surpassed over 100,000 flights per day - 365 days a year. NOT ONE TIME has there been an episode where MULTIPLE people on the plane got to record solid, indisputable proof of a structured flying craft? It's always seems like if we do get footage, it's one guy that captured something -and that something is usually his photoshopped handiwork after the flight is over. You would think there would be a SURPLUS of scenario's where "Look on the news! Here's another story of how 30 people on one flight all got footage of the same object fairly close to the plane & the footage is good enough where you can see detail & structure of the craft." But yet - none exist.

Well, there are claims that the military has such footage and won't let us see it. There's also claims that people have had films and photos, but that they've been confiscated. On one hand we could dismiss those claims as irrelevant, and on the other, it might suggest that there's an agenda of non-disclosure, and given all the stuff we've had to pry out using FOIA requests that were previously claimed not to have existed, non-disclosure seems to be well proven. For police, what if a police cam did actually catch one? Would the force want to discredit itself in the eyes of the public by releasing it? Maybe. Or maybe they'd say nothing and send it to the military.

Regarding aviation, there have been multiple pilot reports, so it's not like they haven't been seen by aircraft occupants. And how many people stare out an airplane window the whole trip with their camera ready? Sightings usually only last a few seconds. By the time you remember to reach for the camera it's over. The other thing is that air traffic routes are fixed between points and the phenomenon can easily choose to stay away from them as well as cities. UFOs seem to choose where and when they want to be seen and in the meantime they don't advertise their presence.

So the bottom line is that if the aliens wanted to be filmed then we'd have all the film we want regardless of the PTB's agenda. But by acting secretively and adding a layer of human non-disclosure to the situation, the chances of getting really good quality video is pretty much nil. That's not to say it can't happen, but then even if it does, there's so much noise out there now that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and something fake anyway. Maybe Chris' SLV camera project will get lucky and make some waves. I hope so. But like I keep saying, chasing after UFO for pictures to prove to skeptics they're real is IMO a fool's errand. We need another approach.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Well, there are claims that the military has such footage and won't let us see it. There's also claims that people have had films and photos, but that they've been confiscated. On one hand we could dismiss those claims as irrelevant, and on the other, it might suggest that there's an agenda of non-disclosure, and given all the stuff we've had to pry out using FOIA requests that were previously claimed not to have existed, non-disclosure seems to be well proven. For police, what if a police cam did actually catch one? Would the force want to discredit itself in the eyes of the public by releasing it? Maybe. Or maybe they'd say nothing and send it to the military.

Regarding aviation, there have been multiple pilot reports, so it's not like they haven't been seen by aircraft occupants. And how many people stare out an airplane window the whole trip with their camera ready? Sightings usually only last a few seconds. By the time you remember to reach for the camera it's over. The other thing is that air traffic routes are fixed between points and the phenomenon can easily choose to stay away from them as well as cities. UFOs seem to choose where and when they want to be seen and in the meantime they don't advertise their presence.

So the bottom line is that if the aliens wanted to be filmed then we'd have all the film we want regardless of the PTB's agenda. But by acting secretively and adding a layer of human non-disclosure to the situation, the chances of getting really good quality video is pretty much nil. That's not to say it can't happen, but then even if it does, there's so much noise out there now that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between it and something fake anyway. Maybe Chris' SLV camera project will get lucky and make some waves. I hope so. But like I keep saying, chasing after UFO for pictures to prove to skeptics they're real is IMO a fool's errand. We need another approach.

Like I said many times; I believe they (UFO's) are real & exist. But what doesn't add up is that there is ZERO hard proof of their existence. Tons & tons of photo's - that show nothing. Then the few that are clear, end up being hoaxes (Meier, Gulf Breeze, Adamski, etc.). It's hard to comprehend that there isn't JUST ONE picture that is as good as Meier's, only of a legitimate craft? The amount of sightings/incident's there are to the amount of solid photo's/video's available doesn't add up, IMO.

 

[mike]

I always found this one interesting.

UFO Caught By Oz City Worker's Digital Camera Council Refers Photo To Government Agencies

But a local researcher makes a good point.

But the Australian UFO Research Network Victorian director George Simpson said a digital photograph was not considered acceptable evidence of a flying saucer.

"They cannot be verified. They are too easily manipulated on the computer and you don't have a negative,"

 

[Randall]

Like I said many times; I believe they (UFO's) are real & exist. But what doesn't add up is that there is ZERO hard proof of their existence. Tons & tons of photo's - that show nothing. Then the few that are clear, end up being hoaxes (Meier, Gulf Breeze, Adamski, etc.). It's hard to comprehend that there isn't JUST ONE picture that is as good as Meier's, only of a legitimate craft? The amount of sightings/incident's there are to the amount of solid photo's/video's available doesn't add up, IMO.

Yes. I get your point and think the reasons I've given make sense. It's a combination of the aliens and our own people not wanting us to have evidence, and what's leftover and possibly genuine is of such poor quality that it doesn't qualify, or else it's mixed in with so much of the noise that it's just gone unnoticed. But I suspect there are probably a lot of very good photos in the hands of the PTB. Remember we had a guest who worked on the inside who saw a metallic round craft on a spy satellite photo. Another insider, Donna Hare says the same thing. Other reports tell of gun-camera film being taken but never disclosed. So it's not like there aren't good photos someplace. We just don't have them.

The one thing I didn't mention again here is that it seems likely to me that the number of craft visiting us is much less than the number of sightings. In other words, when the skeptic's say if there are hundreds of UFOs flying around at any given time, we should be seeing them all over the place, they are assuming that each sighting represents a different craft. But given how far a single craft can travel in a short period of time, there may only be a handful, or even just one craft at any given time that happens to get seen here and there over the distances it covers.

I also think the craft have adapted to our technological capability to detect them by becoming more stealthy. If they're using active camouflage most of the time, they wouldn't be visible most of the time. So normal cameras wouldn't detect them. Maybe other types might e.g. FLIR.

 

[Randall]

... But the Australian UFO Research Network Victorian director George Simpson said a digital photograph was not considered acceptable evidence of a flying saucer.

"They cannot be verified. They are too easily manipulated on the computer and you don't have a negative,"

Exactly my point. But there are a couple of easy ways to at least do a cursory check, and digital imaging experts are pretty good at figuring out what is what. But it's still time consuming, and if they do it for one, imagine how many more they'd get thrown at them.