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Attempting Objectivity

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BrandonD

Skilled Investigator
Thought I'd mention a little test I tend to use to judge any researcher or documentary's attempt to remain objective and avoid sensationalism: When quoting a famous person or scientist to support a premise, is the comment edited, or relevant context removed?

I think one of the best examples of this type of persuasive writing is that famous Ronald Reagan speech, where he mentions how our differences as nations would disappear "if we were facing an alien threat from outside our world. And yet I ask you, is not an alien threat already among us?"

That is usually where the quote ends, and it's often used as proof that Reagan was in on alien secrets. I recently read this edited version of the quote in a Brad Steiger article. As much as I like him, this sort of cutting and pasting rings false to me.

The full quote shows the statement in a different light. Immediately after this statement Reagan adds, "What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?"

The appended comment makes the statement seem much less ominous and relating to literal "aliens", so it's often cut out.

When a researcher does editing like this, I get the impression that they're willing to "bend" the truth a little bit in order to prove their point.

(as a side note, in the documentary "Out of the Blue" James Fox includes the entire quote, which I think raises his credibility as an honest researcher)
 
Not so much bending the truth...more like...selectively editing the quote. I know this is done to intentionally lead the argument a certain direction. Others do it to maintain attention. Objectivity is hard when you're trying to sell something to an audience. I've seen editors do it regularly when I worked in advertising and their excuse has always been "Well, technically we're not lying. We're just omitting the boring parts". Quotes are being edited all the time and it does make you wonder how objective some of the producers are. It's almost like a loophole they exploit regularly.

It's an easy trap to fall into. I've done it when I'm editing audio. I'll remove sections that drag on to shorten the clip and keep the interest. Sometimes, when I listen to the finished article, it almost sounds like a different conversation. You realise just how much flexibility you have when you're editing. You can make people appear to be for an argument rather than against with a little editing. I'm guessing this would be much like bending the truth in a way especially if your intention is to mislead.

Makes you wonder though. If the entire quotes were left unedited, I'm certain people in the community would edit the quotes themselves to suit their agendas or take sections into context.

"We have information of an imminent alien invasion of immigrants from across the border"
EDIT
"We have information of an imminent alien invasion"

Quick! Everyone stock up on medical supplies, bottled water and canned beans!
 
Good observation. Perhaps there should be a thread where posters can make note of out-of-context or otherwise body-Englished quotes. It might have a deterrent effect. How about this thread?
 
It's not only the deliverer of information that is suspect but the interpretation of the receiver.

Some people will believe anything they see or read on the Internet. Just look at the number of gullible people on Youtube who think every UFO video is authentic.

Many will not bother to do the slightest bit of research. Look at the claims of 9/11 Truthers who were promoting the whole "pod" theory. It took me 2 minutes of independent research to find picture of airliners that easily disproved this idea. I still don't know why my old post regarding this was deleted by the forum administrator. Another example of selective editing of information? And I do not wish to debate 9/11 either.

Many will only believe things that already support their preconceived views of the world and reject even undeniable evidence to the contrary. There are plenty of people including those in the UFO field who do not let the evidence speak for itself. The worst offenders use explanations that are at best improbable and don't even look at the most obvious explanations available. This applies to both skeptics and believers of whatever.

My point is the presenter is only half the problem.
 
True, but only one half of the problem gets paid a book deal/speaker's fee.

"Selective" quoting is one practice. I'd put it in the same basket as:

Using older information when newer and more throroughly researched/documented information doesn't support your point.

Working from tertiary general works (encyclopedias, basic reference works), again because more detailed research will not support your point, or is simply too much work.
 
Youtube! UUUGGGHHH!!!

Typical Youtube scenario: "Dude, it looks like a plate on the end of a fishing line."

Insert multiple abusive responses here...
 
I think the rencent Mars anomalies post has the visual form of this. Someone takes a broad image, crops it down, then tells us what we are supposed to see.

I think if you post a cropped image of something on Mars or on the moon, you should also tell where you got it and some identifying information about the image so that it can be properly looked into.

Otherwise, its just a Rorschach test for the obsessed.
 
I agree whole heartedly.

Everyone thinks they have an "IN" into this field from bastardized quotes, mal-cropped images, crop circle interpretations, to the stupid energy claims of new agers. Typically this means tweaking or reinterpreting already-existing data.

As much as individuals want to claim objectivity and open mindedness there sure is a lot of filtering/editing of information. And these people wan to get to the bottom of the situation! It will NEVER happen as a result of a flawed process. The process must change and those consuming related products must demand it.
 
BrandonD said:
That is usually where the quote ends, and it's often used as proof that Reagan was in on alien secrets. I recently read this edited version of the quote in a Brad Steiger article. As much as I like him, this sort of cutting and pasting rings false to me.

I'd generally agree. It's laughable that this quote is usually presented as some kind of thinly veiled acknowledgment by Reagan of an ET presence. However, it is worth mentioning in the context of Reagan's very real interest in the subject. He had used aliens and ufos as analogies in other public remarks aside from this particular speech. His speech writer attempted to remove the alien bit and Reagan specifically demanded that it be re-inserted, referring to it as his "fantasy."

The speech is discussed in it's proper context pretty well in this segment of the UFO Files episode "UFOs and the White House":

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It is also discussed near the bottom of the page on Grant Cameron's presidentialufo.com section on Reagan.
 
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