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Bank runs in Cyprus

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Cyprus bailout: Osborne vows to protect Britain's armed forces in Cyprus as cash machines are EMPTIED | Mail Online

Pretty scary stuff,

Depositors in Cyprus banks will lose some of their deposits.
They will be furious about this.
And they will, rightly, feel that it is grossly unfair — because depositors in the bailed-out banks in Ireland, Greece, etc. didn't lose their money.
And they will feel like fools for not having taken their money out.
And ... here's the important part ...
Other depositors at weak banks all over Europe, in places like Spain, Italy, and Greece, will rightly wonder whether this is the beginning of a new era of bank bailouts, an era in which bank depositors are going lose some of their money.
What do you think those other depositors in Spain, Italy, Greece, etc., are going to feel like doing when they realize that, if their banks ever need a bailout, they might have their deposits seized?
That's right.
They're going to feel like yanking their money out of their banks.
And if some of them yank their money out of their banks, well — then the financial condition of those banks will go from weak to insolvent.
And the banks will go rushing to their governments and the Eurozone for help.
And if, god forbid, the Eurozone decides to seize the deposits of more bank depositors ...
Well, then, a good portion of Europe is going to suddenly experience a good old-fashioned bank run.
That, to put it mildly, could be a disaster.
It could bring the European financial crisis, which has lurched from one flare-up to another for most of the past five years, to a rather sudden head.
How much would it cost for the powers-that-be to bail out all of Europe's weak banks at once?
A lot.
More than the Eurozone has in its emergency lending facilities, certainly. And more than the International Monetary Fund has on hand.
So the U.S. would probably have to get involved.
And, regardless of whether the U.S. needed to get involved, the European economy would likely suffer the equivalent of a heart attack.
That wouldn't be good for the U.S. economy.
Or the Chinese economy.
Or any other economy that sells things to Europe.
So, you can see, this little decision to seize a little money from bank depositors in the little island of Cyprus could be a much bigger deal than you think.
It could conceivably precipitate a run on weak European banks.
And a run on weak European banks could hammer the European economy and then the economy of Europe's trading partners. And it could cause global markets to crash.
So keep an eye on what's going on over there in Cyprus.
It's potentially much more important than it seems.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cyprus-bailout-risks-europe-bank-runs-2013-3#ixzz2NqSpsD85

The rationale is simple, if we dont take some of your money, the bank will fail and you lose it all.

Cyprus Bailout: Statement by the President of the Republic Mr Nicos Anastasiades - Business Insider
 
when i was a kid you took your money to a bank for safe keeping.
They lent a portion of their holdings out in "safe" ways like home loans.
They gave some of the interest earned to the depositor, the rest they kept as profit.
This was called investing money.
The loans were scrutinised to ensure it was a safe investment.

Now they gamble with it instead


I think the time is fast coming where the banks will find out the hard way they have poisoned their own well.

But its a nasty scenario, if people start hoarding their cash instead of banking it, no credit.
No new homes will be built since few can buy one, new business the same.

But people have to take some blame for this as well, its buyer beware.
We want the lowest home loan rate, and the highest savings rate of interest.
In order to provide these "products" in a competative banking market. They have to gamble to make the difference.

Were i to open an "honest" bank tomorrow and offer 4 percent on savings, with homeloans at 10 percent, i could make an honest 6 percent on deposits. and the deposits would be relatively safe.
But no one is going to deposit if the bank next store is offering 6 percent on deposits, or take out a loan with us when the bank next door is only charging 6 percent on home loans, making their profit by playing half their holdings on the derivatives markets.

This mess is also made worse by forcing us to save, ie superannuation.

How long before the same rationale gets applied to it ?

"oh well we had a choice, take half your super savings and guarantee the other, or see your fund collapse and you lose it all ..........."

Super funds' great delusions | Business Spectator

The widely read News Ltd tabloids led by the Herald Sun in Melbourne and the Daily Telegraph in Sydney have this week published performance tables which show that over the last ten years BT, AXA, AMP and MLC make up six of the bottom performing workplace default funds yielding between 2.5 and four per cent a year over the decade.

I have not checked the data, which was provided by Rainmaker group, and I am sure that BT, AMP and MLC have other funds that have performed much better.

Nevertheless it led the Herald Sun to claim that more than six million Australians would have been better stuffing cash under a mattress than putting into their employer’s default fund.

They backed this up with a cartoon.

This is obviously a cheeky jibe that would not stand careful analysis but it is very powerful imagery.

What appears to have happened to these default funds is that far too high a percentage of the savings was invested in the share market which has not performed as well as other sectors including some parts of the property market, bonds and term deposits.

(ie they gambled with rather than invested the monies)


Read more: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2012/10/9/financial-services/super-funds-great-delusions#ixzz2Nvby9fAs

This is telling

I have not checked the data, which was provided by Rainmaker group, and I am sure that BT, AMP and MLC have other funds that have performed much better.

Basically they used the little guys savings/super to play at the casino, who cares if he only gets a tiny return. Other funds, corporate funds and cash managment trusts were treated with more care, since those investors are the high rollers and must be feted
 
Heads up Stone.....

National planning Cyprus-style solution for New Zealand | Scoop News


March 20th, 2013
“Some rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen” – Woody Guthrie​

Put your money in the bank, not under the mattress. That’s always been a mantra, especially for people who don’t want to speculate in property or the sharemarket, and who don’t want to run the risk of putting their savings into shonky finance companies. Belief in the stability of banks is one of the tentpoles of the economy – so the revelation from Green Party co-leader Russel Norman that the government and Reserve Bank are about to give themselves the power to raid the deposits of ordinary bank customers in the event of a banking crisis seems simply outrageous.
Gordon Campbell » Blog Archive » Gordon Campbell on the official emergency plan to steal from your bank account
 
"... Put your money in the bank, not under the mattress. That’s always been a mantra, especially for people who don’t want to speculate in property or the sharemarket, and
who don’t want to run the risk of putting their savings into shonky finance companies..."

My mattress pays better interest than any bank does, so I keep a good amount of money with me. Having said that, the saying "your money is no good here" may in time take on a whole new meaning. Be that as it may, if anybody wishes to deposit their money with my mattress (fdic), pm me and I'll send my paypal account details to you.
 
I think russian aid would almost be a given being that the russian oligarchs make up the lions share of the cypriotian(?) deposits. If those fat rats pulled their money out it could be game over. And, given the source of their money, I'm not sure there would be many safe havens for their money....No offense mr. oligarchs. And what's not to like about getting your hands on even more gas leases. Gazprom is probably licking its chops now .
 


Yeah the old fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me adage kicks in.

The banks are still on "holiday" there (week long bank holiday lol)

You can bet when they open, despite the backdown on the levy, ppl will be quick to pull their money out.

The bank run is still very much on the cards, unless the banks declare themselves bankrupt first.

Either way ppl are going to lose money, which will likely prompt a cascade effect in other EU countries smaller banks.

I know what i'd be doing in that situation, i'd sleep better on the lumpiest of matress's in that scenario
 
Yeah the old fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me adage kicks in.

The banks are still on "holiday" there (week long bank holiday lol)

You can bet when they open, despite the backdown on the levy, ppl will be quick to pull their money out.

The bank run is still very much on the cards, unless the banks declare themselves bankrupt first.

Either way ppl are going to lose money, which will likely prompt a cascade effect in other EU countries smaller banks.

I know what i'd be doing in that situation, i'd sleep better on the lumpiest of matress's in that scenario

I would sleep sound on a lumpy mattress as well :)

Anyway to underscore what I said early on, burn it all down.

I have no problem with money at all it is how our banking system has turned out that I despise. Personally I would soon as see the head of every major banks head on a pike before I bow down to our new would be feudal over lords.
 
Its a bad situation thats for sure, what i think we are seing happening here is a lot of the "money" isnt actually real, its just numbers on a computer.
As the bubbles start to burst a way must be found to turn this virtual money into actual money.

There is only one place it can come from........Us
 
Its a bad situation thats for sure, what i think we are seing happening here is a lot of the "money" isnt actually real, its just numbers on a computer.
As the bubbles start to burst a way must be found to turn this virtual money into actual money.

There is only one place it can come from........Us

That I understand, but.... what really grinds my gears is the rich cock suckers who are working their hardest to take more for them out of this situation and screw the rest of us.

Sorry my blood has been boiling on this issue since before 2008 when I could see this all coming.. hell a half dead blind dog fart could have seen this mess coming..

Anyway sorry for the rage there.
 
Scary: the Russians have offered to fund the entire bailout.......for exclusive refining rights. Scarier: our Fed is buying $21,500,000,000 of our own bonds.......every week. That puts the enormity of our own coming debt crisis in perspective (compared with a bailout that totals $17,000,000,000).

ETA: with the conversion rates, I guess the amounts are more or less equal. Still, one week of Fed bond buying versus the entire banking system of Cyprus. In addition, the economic engines of the US & Cyprus are not fairly compared. I still think it illustrates the vast quantity of money involved.
 
no surprise to me... it is just as the tin foil hat nut job conspiracy theorists predicted.
 
The Global Elite Are Very Clearly Telling Us That They Plan To Raid Our Bank Accounts

They are already very clearly telling you that they are going to do it. Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem is the president of the Eurogroup - an organization of eurozone finance ministers that was instrumental in putting together the Cyprus "deal" - and he has said publicly that what has just happened in Cyprus will serve as a blueprint for future bank bailouts. What that means is that when the chips are down, they are going to come after YOUR money.

And this sums up the whys pretty much

So exactly how did the big banks in Cyprus get into so much trouble? Well, they have been doing exactly what hundreds of other large banks all over the U.S. and Europe have been doing. They have been gambling with our money. In particular, the big banks in Cyprus made huge bets on Greek sovereign debt which ended up failing.

But what happened in Cyprus is just the tip of the iceberg. All over the planet major financial institutions are being incredibly reckless with client money. They are leveraged to the hilt and they have transformed the global financial system into a gigantic casino.

If they win on their bets, they become fabulously wealthy.

If they lose on their bets, they know that the politicians won't let the banks fail. They know that they will get bailed out one way or another.

And who pays?

We do.

Cyprus may be a step too far though.

The theme used to be banks were a safe place to store your money, if that changes to banks are a dangerous place to store your money.

So why should anyone put a large amount of money in the bank at this point?

Perhaps you can make one or two percent on your money if you shop around for a really good deal, but there is also a chance that 40 percent (or more) of your money will be confiscated if the bank fails.

And considering the fact that there are vast numbers of banks all over the United States and Europe that are teetering on the verge of insolvency, why would anyone want to take such a risk?

What the global elite have done is that they have messed around with the fundamental trust that people have in the banking system. In order for any financial system to work, people must have faith in the safety and security of that financial system.

People put their money in the bank because they think that it will be safe there. If you take away that feeling of safety, you jeopardize the entire system.
 
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