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BBC Documentary "Are We Real?"

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For those who love to have your minds blown, check out this BBC documentary:
http://chime.tv/#doc/4cwph

I love this website. There are some fascinating programs on here, and things to make you think.

The discussion about the cosmological constant having to be 1x10^120 in exactness for us to be here is astounding. Think about it, that constant must be so finely tuned that it must be tuned to 120 digits, that's saying a trillion 8 times(I think).
If things were off, just a tiny fraction, we wouldn't be here.
Do WE affect the universe just because we observe and ponder the universe?
HELL of a question, one of the best I've heard lately.
 
exo_doc said:
For those who love to have your minds blown, check out this BBC documentary:
http://chime.tv/#doc/4cwph

I love this website. There are some fascinating programs on here, and things to make you think.

The discussion about the cosmological constant having to be 1x10^120 in exactness for us to be here is astounding. Think about it, that constant must be so finely tuned that it must be tuned to 120 digits, that's saying a trillion 8 times(I think).
If things were off, just a tiny fraction, we wouldn't be here.
Do WE affect the universe just because we observe and ponder the universe?
HELL of a question, one of the best I've heard lately.
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Some of the ideas put forward in this doc actually link quite heavily to modern string theory which is even more mind boggling. Here's the BBC Horizon episode which covers this. I remember watching it 6 years ago when I was doing my Science degree and I really struggled to get my head around it.
I just gave it a second attempt this evening and boy have I got a headache now. There are apparently 7 dimensions we don't know about :confused::confused::confused:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-3969763606736507921
 
The only thing I think with stuff like this is that yes it truly just insanely crazy that were here, IF what they say about "1x10^120 in exactness for us to be here is astounding" is true.

I mean, what if they were wrong about that? Us non scientists are in no position to know either way.
 
GSB said:
The only thing I think with stuff like this is that yes it truly just insanely crazy that were here, IF what they say about "1x10^120 in exactness for us to be here is astounding" is true.

I mean, what if they were wrong about that? Us non scientists are in no position to know either way.
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I think you're pretty safe to assume that they are correct really, at least on the Maths. Firstly its just worked out using all the calculations we know for all the different forces and masses, so based upon all the science we currently know, its fairly straight forward.
The Maths behind it has obviously been checked by many scientists and computer simulations.

However, taking into account that scientists are currently making an assumption that 85% of the universe is made up of a material that we can't see or touch, yet still exerts a gravitational force (dark matter) no-one can say their theory is 100% correct (as in most science). Throw in Dark Energy and there is a hell of a lot we don't know... but the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

Its easily explained away by the multiple universe theory and why wouldnt there be loads of universes.... there's loads of planets, loads of stars, loads of galaxies... it would seem strange to me if it suddenly stopped at 1 singular universe.

Not only is it not that strange that we happen to be in this one particular galaxy that supports life... its the only possible option! :p
 
This is the math that has created the patch it up multiverse theory. The big fat band aid that sits on top of the string theory. And the flavor for aliens after all these patch theory's are multi dimensional beings.
 
exo_doc said:
Wow, more cool shit! I can't stop watching all these vids.
Thanks!
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Yeah, veoh's site is pretty cool.

I been at Joox trying to see several movies, but they no work:( Cool site though for when the movies do work though. Joox.net

Hulu.com is another, but that's basically the same as veoh.
 
qqqq said:
This is the math that has created the patch it up multiverse theory. The big fat band aid that sits on top of the string theory. And the flavor for aliens after all these patch theory's are multi dimensional beings.
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Was that math related to the many worlds theory? It's been around for decades. Estimates I've heard pin it on Hugh Everett in the mid 50s.

The math mentioned seemed related to the cosmo constant, which only recently got attention again. That was Einstein's "greatest blunder".
 
Aaron LeClair said:
Was that math related to the many worlds theory? It's been around for decades. Estimates I've heard pin it on Hugh Everett in the mid 50s.

The math mentioned seemed related to the cosmo constant, which only recently got attention again. That was Einstein's "greatest blunder".
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Its the math related to the cosmo constant and how exact it is therefore meaning either the universe had to have had a benevolent creator, or that there are just millions of universes popping off allover the place and we just happen to be in one of the habitable ones.
Modern day string theory also relies rather conveniently on lots of universes and dimensions neatly making the whole thing fit together.
Altho string theory is of course not proven, its just a theory that seems to fit and predict everything we observe
 
Aaron LeClair said:
Was that math related to the many worlds theory? It's been around for decades. Estimates I've heard pin it on Hugh Everett in the mid 50s.

The math mentioned seemed related to the cosmo constant, which only recently got attention again. That was Einstein's "greatest blunder".
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Enstein's cosmo constant is related to but not a fined tuned universe.
Yea the math for this is done by a heap of people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant

Ok lets take a photo with the hubble, get some proof.

 
I soughta think if we can ever get any real grounding on the ufo field we may be able to answer some of these questions. Just a slight glimmer on the drive systems may give us some defined answers to the reality of the universe.
 
qqqq said:
I soughta think if we can ever get any real grounding on the ufo field we may be able to answer some of these questions. Just a slight glimmer on the drive systems may give us some defined answers to the reality of the universe.
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Whilst your statement is undeniably true, it is far more likely to happen the other way round... as in we learn the mysteries of the universe, and then put them into our interplanetary vehicles.
Even if we captured a downed craft (which i dont believe we have) I don't think we'd know what the hell to do with it.
These documentaries just show how little we actually know about the universe..... and how far we have to go before we start planet hopping.

I truly believe that if there are Aliens, they won't reveal themselves until Humans finally develop interstellar travel (like the romulans in that star trek movie when picard and his merry men all go back in time to stop the borg).
If I were an alien, thats what i'd do. If they landed and gave us all the secrets to the universe, i'm sure our society would implode, and I wouldnt be suprised if they had already done it before with another society and learnt from their mistakes.
All of this is just speculation of course as I dont even have any proof that Aliens exists! ::)
 
I'm a star trek fan myself, but I can not see a "prime directive" happening in any real sense. Our day to day lives and our natural environment and process is the universe, It makes no sense that a alien speices would follow a prime directive rule, I wouldn't. Its getting to be pretty much well entreched in the main stream that life exist's in the universe in quite a few places, Why not start to ask for help from the stars in what ever way we can. On the topic of cosmology, one of the more famous guys is Dr Michio Kaku, His probabilty on our leap from a type-0 civilisation to a sustainable environment and energy type-1 civilisation is pretty dire indeed. Hell why not point our dishes out and say, well I think we need some help, any one keen to lead us a hand.
 
qqqq said:
I'm a star trek fan myself, but I can not see a "prime directive" happening in any real sense. Our day to day lives and our natural environment and process is the universe, It makes no sense that a alien speices would follow a prime directive rule, I wouldn't. Its getting to be pretty much well entreched in the main stream that life exist's in the universe in quite a few places, Why not start to ask for help from the stars in what ever way we can. On the topic of cosmology, one of the more famous guys is Dr Michio Kaku, His probabilty on our leap from a type-0 civilisation to a sustainable environment and energy type-1 civilisation is pretty dire indeed. Hell why not point our dishes out and say, well I think we need some help, any one keen to lead us a hand.
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Alians coming down and giving us all the technology is like Stanton puts it, equivalent to giving a two year old a loaded gun. Any technology they gave us would be used to make military weapons, so why would they bother. Our society is too immature...
With regards to pointing our dishes out, not only would it really require a huge power source for the broadcast (unless anyone was specifically listening) but by the time it got there we will have annihalated ourselves if things are really so bad.

Going back to dark matter, there was me going on about how their theories are potentially flawed, rambling on and sounding like I knew what I was talking about, and then they go and bloody find the stuff.... right in the middle of my moment of forum glory!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7587090.stm

I just can't get a break these days.... :o
 
oh, and their turning the hadron collider on in 9 days, potentially creating a black hole in the middle of europe and annihalating us all so it doesnt really matter anyway LOL (Complete nonsense of course) :D
 
Hoffmeister said:
Alians coming down and giving us all the technology is like Stanton puts it, equivalent to giving a two year old a loaded gun. Any technology they gave us would be used to make military weapons, so why would they bother. Our society is too immature...
With regards to pointing our dishes out, not only would it really require a huge power source for the broadcast (unless anyone was specifically listening) but by the time it got there we will have annihalated ourselves if things are really so bad.

Going back to dark matter, there was me going on about how their theories are potentially flawed, rambling on and sounding like I knew what I was talking about, and then they go and bloody find the stuff.... right in the middle of my moment of forum glory!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7587090.stm

I just can't get a break these days.... :o
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Well all the technology is what? A flying disc or triangle with flashing lights.

Yea pointing dishes out is a simple way of looking at it, but asking for help to try and sought out our selfs better is a very human and natural way in which we live. You just don't keep walking along the beach if some one is drowning just off shore.
 
qqqq said:
Well all the technology is what? A flying disc or triangle with flashing lights.

Yea pointing dishes out is a simple way of looking at it, but asking for help to try and sought out our selfs better is a very human and natural way in which we live. You just don't keep walking along the beach if some one is drowning just off shore.
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I'm sorry, maybe I've had a long day but i dont fully understand what you're getting at.
All the technology that the aliens have is bound to be more than flying dics and triangles, it could be millions of years ahead of us. And even if it was just triangles, i'm sure someone would find a military use for them.
Imagine if the aliens did land and start handing out technology all over the place, there would be the biggest arms race the world has ever seen, and then we would bring our world of carnage out into the rest of the universe and threaten all the other species.
Pesimistic, but just look at history or the state of the world at the moment.
And regarding leaving someone to drown, when a nature researcher/documentary maker see's an animal dying/drowning, he leaves them to die. Its not being cruel, but you just don't want to mess with the way things are...
 
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