Belgium UFO

[Kieran]

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The Belgian UFO sightings of 1989/90 don't have any similarities with the Arkansas bird deaths. In fact, the Belgian Air Force and Government were very interested in investigating the situation and their official report says that they found no explanation for the sightings (I've studied the case carefully and concur with such assessment). I see that there are some people here who seem to dislike views that go against conspiratorial/supernatural explanations. That's fine with me, but any serious investigation on what happened with those birds can ever be done with preconceptions such as those I've seen mentioned in this thread, with connections to doubtful sources and information clearly manipulated by persons or groups to benefit their own take on the subject.

Officially, it was viewed as unexplainable, but the Belgium sightings according to Major General Wilfred Brouwer, after all other explanations were exhausted officially and otherwise, it was his believe and his departments belief, the object seen by thousands of eye-witnesses was of off-world origin. It not just an opinion based on having no explanation for what occurred over Belgium, it was the way the craft moved and changed course, when fighters jets were sent up to intercept this unknown object over Belgium airspace. One maneuvers the unidentified-object done in the sky dropping below the cloud at an incredible speed I can't remember the speed off-hand now, but the G-FORCE the drop and speed it went from, standstill position to another position would have crushed a human pilot or pilots. According to the General, that level of technology observed and documented does not exist then or today and he believes it highly unlikely is belongs to the Americans. So if human pilot could not have survived some of the angles and turns of such an object, who the hell else was piloting it?

 

[Facius_Cardan]

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Officially, it was viewed as unexplainable, but the Belgium sightings according to Major General Wilfred Brouwer, after all other explanations were exhausted officially and otherwise, it was his believe and his departments belief, the object seen by thousands of eye-witnesses was of off-world origin.

I agree with the part where they categorize the sightings as UFO/UAP (if they weren't able to identify the objects, that's what they are), but the extraterrestrial extrapolation is a stretch on that assessment. I respect their propositon/theory, but I don't subscribe it.

So if human pilot could not have survived some of the angles and turns of such an object, who the hell else was piloting it?

As Shakespeare would say "aye, there's the rub".

 

[Kandinsky]

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Brouwer went on record at the 2007 Press Club....http://www.freedomofinfo.org/national_press_07/general_de_brouwer_statement.pdf

It's interesting if you read it more than once. The first time is "OMFG! There's UFOs and hi-tech craft at work over Belgium!" The second time is "Oh, okay. No visual sightings and maybe there was a meteorological explanation and maybe there wasn't."

Could've been anything going on from that testimony. The fact that he made the effort to appear at the Press Club indicates he thought it was something more than an odd incident.

Inconclusive strangeness strikes again.

 

[Facius_Cardan]

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Why is it a stretch, when there is no other explanation left to explore? That is just a skeptic denying there could be other possibilities! A UFO that moves and stops and speeds off it not a UFO anymore, it has something whatever you want that something to be behind the controls. It unidentified to what and who the pilots are, but the object here, obviously has flight capabilities which requires intelligence to build it and pilot it.

To me, at least, the UFO (or UAP, whatever is preferred) designation can only be attributed to a phenomenon after its perceived and measured characteristics (speed, size, behavior, etc) have been compared to all known aerial apparatus and natural manifestations. If we're unable to find a reasonable match, then its a UFO. From there we can only keep the collected data and, if possible, continue to go back to it in order to see if the technical and scientific expertise acquired meanwhile allows us to identify it positively.
To say that its origin is extraterrestrial goes into the realm of speculation and hypothesizing (which is a good exercise, that I also like to do, in extrapolation and imagination), without adding nothing to the knowledge of what the phenomenon really was. That assertion tells us more about the current sociological thinking than about what lies in the origin of UFOs. For instance, if the same objects observed in Belgium appeared there 500 years before, they would probably be attached to a religious manifestation. In fact, we don't know who/what created those objects or if anyone/anything was piloting them (they could be unmanned vehicles, if they were vehicles at all). I can't deny any of the possibilities that can be imagined regarding what that phenomenon was but, on the other side, no one can present solid evidence that they were extraterrestrial, terrestrial or anything else. I prefer to say that, to our current knowledge, they remain Unidentified Flying Objects.

 

[dyingsun]

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I still think that this grainy picture is proof for technology hidden from the masses.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

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I still think that this grainy picture is proof for technology hidden from the masses.

I've seen this photo so many times, but is there one that provides more of a frame of reference? This photo can easily be the underside of a lamp or something.

 

[Kieran]

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To me, at least, the UFO (or UAP, whatever is preferred) designation can only be attributed to a phenomenon after its perceived and measured characteristics (speed, size, behavior, etc) have been compared to all known aerial apparatus and natural manifestations. If we're unable to find a reasonable match, then its a UFO. From there we can only keep the collected data and, if possible, continue to go back to it in order to see if the technical and scientific expertise acquired meanwhile allows us to identify it positively.
To say that its origin is extraterrestrial goes into the realm of speculation and hypothesizing (which is a good exercise, that I also like to do, in extrapolation and imagination), without adding nothing to the knowledge of what the phenomenon really was. That assertion tells us more about the current sociological thinking than about what lies in the origin of UFOs. For instance, if the same objects observed in Belgium appeared there 500 years before, they would probably be attached to a religious manifestation. In fact, we don't know who/what created those objects or if anyone/anything was piloting them (they could be unmanned vehicles, if they were vehicles at all). I can't deny any of the possibilities that can be imagined regarding what that phenomenon was but, on the other side, no one can present solid evidence that they were extraterrestrial, terrestrial or anything else. I prefer to say that, to our current knowledge, they remain Unidentified Flying Objects.

Look we have high numbers of reported UFO incidents since 1947, your thoughts with only carry favor, if it was one report here and another one there, and the spacing between each UFO- incident was over a number of years, but the fact is, we'd have had lot of cases were government down through the decades, could not explain at all, even with all the resources, they've had at their disposal at the time.

This is a not a conspiracy drummed up by people who post to paranormal forums, as some Skeptics float about, from time to time, why don't you try directing your line of questioning at the people who run for election, they've have all the power, ask them what is the deal here, why is it my government could not solve some of the UFO cases of the past few decades? See what response you get then, come back to me then with that response!

The fact is, your believe does not correspondent to the actual reality of what is taking place around the world. All known Aerial apparatus, so you are in that corner who believes the object seen over Belgium was human built, and build by the Americans or the Russians, Because this honestly is the only explanation left, that would explain those sightings, well every other theory was addressed and non could account for what the citizens of Belgium seen witnessed photographed plus radar-evidence adds to the pool of data collected, and honestly, I have good grasp of Geopolitics affairs, and what goes on behind closed doors in governments, well official responses don't get played out when something does not exist, the fact the Belgium department of defense contacted American officials to ask them, were you testing secret craft above our national airspace, should if you know anything about Geopolitics, tell you something here!

The sightings involved an actual physical craft of unknown origin, that is what happened, look your only deluding yourself with the position you have decided to hold onto..

Human pilots could not have survived some of the flight movements and speeds observed on radar on the ground and inside the cockpit of the jet-fighters, and I don't think we have a habit of going around building craft that we have no possibility of flying ever. Realistically based on the evidence the craft was of non human origin.

I know Skeptics like us to believe there is lot more going on up there in the skyline, but in reality beside seeing a number of birds flying around a couple of meteors now and again clouds planes the moon at night stars sun there isn't hell lot more, that would have accounted for the object seen over Belgium in 1989-1990.. I'm not deluded in my beliefs, you probably think I am, but the fact is THE history of this phenomenon strongly supports the argument we are been visited now and have been in the past.

 

[dyingsun]

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For all its worth, it could be hoaxed like the Meier photos. As far as I know, there is no video footage of this 'event', what makes this image intriguing to me is the date when it was taken, the abysmal quality (both go hand in hand as you know) and no sensationalist story at the time. I doubt these are ordinary 'plane' lights (landing/starting/in flight) of a 'stealth bomber', which the shape would suggest. And over Belgium, for that matter. Yes, Britain isn't far away.

I don't think it is 'alien', it is a secret project. or they 'pimped' a Northrop B-2 to be a party machine, and twice it's size.

 

[Kieran]

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For all its worth, it could be hoaxed like the Meier photos. As far as I know, there is no video footage of this 'event', what makes this image intriguing to me is the date when it was taken, the abysmal quality (both go hand in hand as you know) and no sensationalist story at the time. I doubt these are ordinary 'plane' lights (landing/starting/in flight) of a 'stealth bomber', which the shape would suggest. And over Belgium, for that matter. Yes, Britain isn't far away.

I don't think it is 'alien', it is a secret project. or they 'pimped' a Northrop B-2 to be a party machine, and twice it's size.

Actually the guy who took one of the Belgium photos appeared on a UFO documentary, his credentials checked out. It a genuine photo, that is why it is always is shown, when talking about these sightings.

The problem with the theory it was not alien as humans we would not have survived some of the flight movements the craft done.. It is impossible Dying, it not logical this was an unmanned vehicle, the obvious beside what skeptics hold dearer it was craft of non human origin

 

[dyingsun]

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Keep in mind when this happened.. I only had the connection to 'De Brouwer' , the belgian airforce General, in my head, he appears almost always in the more credible and longer UFO documentaries, thanks for the 'heads up'.

 

[Facius_Cardan]

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Look we have high numbers of reported UFO incidents since 1947, your thoughts with only carry favor, if it was one report here and another one there, and the spacing between each UFO- incident was over a number of years, but the fact is, we'd have had lot of cases were government down through the decades, could not explain at all, even with all the resources, they've had at their disposal at the time.

I'm well aware of the large quantity of UFO reports, even from before 1947 when such nomenclature didn't even exist. The amount of cases only strengthens the assertion that something unusual is and has been happening for a long time. Nevertheless, from the body of information amassed until now we can't say what the phenomenon is, though anyone can have a theory or hypothesis. These manifestations can have an extraterrestrial origin, I've never denied that. What no one can prove (to the present day, at least) is that they actually are extraterrestrial, either because there isn't enough data (the phenomenon is quite elusive) or, possibly, due to the methodology we've been following when investigating UFOs.

This is a not a conspiracy drummed up by people who post to paranormal forums, as some Skeptics float about, from time to time, why don't you try directing your line of questioning at the people who run for election, they've have all the power, ask them what is the deal here, why is it my government could not solve some of the UFO cases of the past few decades? See what response you get then, come back to me then with that response!

Our government here in Portugal doesn't have that whole lot of power (or funds for that matter). We've had some important UFO cases here and they were investigated in a sane collaboration between the official authorities and the UFO groups (most of them composed of people connected with universities). As always, they remain puzzled with the sightings that, after careful investigation, were labeled as unidentified. I must add that I've maintained contact throughout the years with the people involved in the inquiries, though my professional activities keep me from actively collaborating with them when going to the field.

The fact is, your believe does not correspondent to the actual reality of what is taking place around the world. All known Aerial apparatus, so you are in that corner who believes the object seen over Belgium was human built, and build by the Americans or the Russians, Because this honestly is the only explanation left, that would explain those sightings, well every other theory was addressed and non could account for what the citizens of Belgium seen witnessed photographed plus radar-evidence adds to the pool of data collected, and honestly, I have good grasp of Geopolitics affairs, and what goes on behind closed doors in governments, well official responses don't get played out when something does not exist, the fact the Belgium department of defense contacted American officials to ask them, were you testing secret craft above our national airspace, should if you know anything about Geopolitics, tell you something here!

I never said that what was seen over Belgium in 1989/1990 was human built. What I said was that an object, to be considered unidentified, has to be compared to every known aerial technologies and known natural phenomena. Since that comparison was done and no match was found, what was seen can only be classified as an Unidentified Flying Object or Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. I'm also aware that the Belgian authorities contacted their counterparts in other countries to confirm if any kind of experimental aircraft was being tested and the answer was negative.

The sightings involved an actual physical craft of unknown origin, that is what happened, look your only deluding yourself with the position you have decided to hold onto..

I'm waiting for further inquiries into the subject that may allow us to have a clear and evidence-based perspective. My position is one of expectant curiosity and I'm quite open to changes as soon as further substantiated analysis is done. Then the "unidentified" stamp may be removed and turned into something else. What I won't do is to assume of believe in a "conclusion" (namely the extraterrestrial origin of the object) that emerges from speculating and theorizing. Then again, I'll be the first to admit the ET origin of those objects when substantiated and unimpeachable evidence is presented to support it (I'm not a debunker or denier, just someone who has doubts in face of incomplete or inconclusive data) .

Human pilots could not have survived some of the flight movements and speeds observed on radar on the ground and inside the cockpit of the jet-fighters, and I don't think we have a habit of going around building craft that we have no possibility of flying ever. Realistically based on the evidence the craft was of non human origin.

Your observation is correct if we assume that someone or something was inside the object (as I mentioned earlier it could be an unmanned vehicle, though not one we know of).

I know Skeptics like us to believe there is lot more going on up there in the skyline, but in reality beside seeing a number of birds flying around a couple of meteors now and again clouds planes the moon at night stars sun there isn't hell lot more, that would have accounted for the object seen over Belgium in 1989-1990.. I'm not deluded in my beliefs, you probably think I am, but the fact is THE history of this phenomenon strongly supports the argument we are been visited now and have been in the past.

I don't think you're deluded (I don't know you from anywhere except a few posts exchanged in this forums) and I respect your opinions. To me, the collection of cases we have strongly supports the argument that some aspects of our mind, our planet and our universe remain unknown. Also, I feel that there will never be an answer to the UFO problem but many, because what we understand as a whole is, in fact, a multifaceted group of manifestations.

 

[Kieran]

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I'm well aware of the large quantity of UFO reports, even from before 1947 when such nomenclature didn't even exist. The amount of cases only strengthens the assertion that something unusual is and has been happening for a long time. Nevertheless, from the body of information amassed until now we can't say what the phenomenon is, though anyone can have a theory or hypothesis. These manifestations can have an extraterrestrial origin, I've never denied that. What no one can prove (to the present day, at least) is that they actually are extraterrestrial, either because there isn't enough data (the phenomenon is quite elusive) or, possibly, due to the methodology we've been following when investigating UFOs.


Our government here in Portugal doesn't have that whole lot of power (or funds for that matter). We've had some important UFO cases here and they were investigated in a sane collaboration between the official authorities and the UFO groups (most of them composed of people connected with universities). As always, they remain puzzled with the sightings that, after careful investigation, were labeled as unidentified. I must add that I've maintained contact throughout the years with the people involved in the inquiries, though my professional activities keep me from actively collaborating with them when going to the field.


I never said that what was seen over Belgium in 1989/1990 was human built. What I said was that an object, to be considered unidentified, has to be compared to every known aerial technologies and known natural phenomena. Since that comparison was done and no match was found, what was seen can only be classified as an Unidentified Flying Object or Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. I'm also aware that the Belgian authorities contacted their counterparts in other countries to confirm if any kind of experimental aircraft was being tested and the answer was negative.


I'm waiting for further inquiries into the subject that may allow us to have a clear and evidence-based perspective. My position is one of expectant curiosity and I'm quite open to changes as soon as further substantiated analysis is done. Then the "unidentified" stamp may be removed and turned into something else. What I won't do is to assume of believe in a "conclusion" (namely the extraterrestrial origin of the object) that emerges from speculating and theorizing. Then again, I'll be the first to admit the ET origin of those objects when substantiated and unimpeachable evidence is presented to support it (I'm not a debunker or denier, just someone who has doubts in face of incomplete or inconclusive data) .


Your observation is correct if we assume that someone or something was inside the object (as I mentioned earlier it could be an unmanned vehicle, though not one we know of).


I don't think you're deluded (I don't know you from anywhere except a few posts exchanged in this forums) and I respect your opinions. To me, the collection of cases we have strongly supports the argument that some aspects of our mind, our planet and our universe remain unknown. Also, I feel that there will never be an answer to the UFO problem but many, because what we understand as a whole is, in fact, a multifaceted group of manifestations.

I'm not sure you have solid position on this, you'd strike me as person who is slightly conflicted in what you believe, which is good, this post is less dismissive then some of the other posts you posted. Though your kind of repeating the same arguments over and over again with different words, but the ideas are the same, but I respect your opinion, I think you are open to this been a craft of unknown origin from another world or whatnot, the evidence is just not convincing enough for you yet ok I can accept that, but you are open minded, with Angel and MacDaddy, this is just crazy stuff that delusional people believe in. Your a skeptic I can respect friend, Angel I like, but I believe he is totally wrong on a number of topics, but you can tell he is a caring and a nice person behind it all, and MacDaddy I hate rude people, so he very close to been on my ignore list were I never had one before.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

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I was looking for more Belgium triangle photos when i came across this:



Also this report by the picture taker:

Background Information / Description:

Summary: Taking pictures of the Ocean horizon, we notice this metallic object sending some kind of lights, It just last few seconds and it when up we notice another object much farther.

Date Reported: 6/19/2006

Sighting Time: 2:30 PM
Day/Night: Daytime
No. of Witnesses: 6 other pictures
Duration: 10sec the most

Size of Object(s)
about 40 to 50 feet.

Distance to Object(s) & Altitude
we were 7378' high, flying north west of Ixtapa Mexico 17* 39' N 101* 40' W

Full Description & Details
Kind of diffuse with elongated areas, very irregular shape. It was approximately half mile when suddenly flew toward our plane and miss us for few feet. We fell some kind of pull from its direction. Few other passengers we very scared.

Can sighting be explained as any conventional man-made or natural object?
We knew it was flying along with us, suddenly just flew in our direction really fast!

Witness Background
We fly very often, but never seen this, it is scary.

Views on UFOs, before and after sighting
nothing I did not believe before

Other Comments
please explain what we saw

Reported Sighting? No
Name: Cristen Skaggs
Location: Madison ,Winscosin
Age: 66

Source / Credit: Cristen Skaggs / UFOEvidence.org

 

[dyingsun]

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It looks like a steel toilet to me, just saying

 

[The Pair of Cats]

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It looks like a steel toilet to me, just saying

It does! lol

 

[Angel of Ioren]

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It looks like moisture on a lens to me.

Look at how clear the background is - especially the clouds on the bottom - and how blurry the "object" is. It's like it's right on top of the lens.

 

[Facius_Cardan]

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Clearly the photographer was trying to focus the sky behind but why would he do that when there's an object covering at least 40 to 50% of his camera's field of view? It seems strange that he (manually) or the camera (automatically) didn't react in order to focus an object that is clearly nearer than the sky and clowds behind (unless the photographer was deliberately leaving that out of focus to create another fake UFO picture). Whatever was caught on that photo was certainly very close to the lens and, by definition, that makes it an UOTCCL (Unidentified Object Too Close to the Camera's Lens).