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I heard an interesting sound bite on NPR this morning about this debate where Bill Nye...I believe... said that the more people learn, the more they become educated, the less nclined They are to believe in creationism (and not without reason) When I hear this I wonder if creationists Ever considered the fact that in Genesis, God cast out Adam for partakung from the Tree of Knowledge. It mace me think that if a God DID create us and the universe , he did it in such a illogical and haphazard way that he knew that people who take the time to think it out would find all kinds of uncomfortable truths in the narrative.

But at the same time even physicists sometimes have to come up with creative thinking to explain such things as why things behave differently on a macro level from a quantum level...branes, dimensions, infinitesimally minature strings, so go figure.
 
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This is so hard to watch. The whole "Bible View" vs. "Man's View" is a false argument from the very start and just makes my head hurt. People who do not realize that the Bible is a document written by human beings are handicapped from the get-go.
 
When I hear things like "It is a question of whether Man or God is the ultimate authority." these questions automatically spring to mind.
Who or what is this "god" and how did it come about? It speaks through its human servants and tells us about itself you say? Does it speak to you? Why is this alien non-human intelligence, if it does exist, thought to be trustworthy?

"The word <whatever> has been hijacked by secularists" arguments that Ham makes are absurd and incredibly presumptive.
 
What frightens me about America's future is not so much that we have multitudes of people unwilling or unable to make the distinction between metaphorical mythology and what nature is trying to tell us. It is that they are seemingly on a kind of well-funded Jihad to change the political and social landscape for everyone. The schism is not yet large enough to swallow up true democracy. But neither is it getting smaller. It's hard to imagine the kind of republic outlined in the constitution thriving in a society with no secular space.
 
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Sorry, but Bill Nye is a horrible debater. Sure, he's picking low hanging fruit with this Young Earth cult, but he might not have fared as well against a more reasonable theologian.
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I'm quite sure Bill Nye is in no way interested in debating theology, just the testable claims of YEC, and I don't think there's a YEC theologian who has a scientific leg to stand on.

The problem is, that biblical literalism and YEC are transparently absurd. No person of intellectual integrity would defend them.
 
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PCarr said:
I'm quite sure Bill Nye is no way interested in debating theology, just the testable claims of YEC, and I don't think there's a YEC theologian who has a scientific leg to stand on.

The problem is, that biblical literalism and YEC are transparently absurd. No person of intellectual integrity would defend them.
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I guess I was unclear. I said reasonable theologian, and there is no such thing as a reasonable YEC theologian. The Young Earth theory is ridiculous to the point of being self-refuting. There are many theologians from other religions who incorporate science, including evolution, into their philosophies. My only point was that Bill Nye's debate style is so weak that he probably wouldn't stand up to anyone except the Young Earth wackos.
 
The problem is, that biblical literalism and YEC are transparently absurd. No person of intellectual integrity would defend them.
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True, but quite a few of the well heeled out there apparently support them. What is at once a disservice to both religion and science may have political mojo. And history repeats.
 
Wade Ridsdale said:
When I hear this I wonder if creationists Ever considered the fact that in Genesis, God cast out Adam for partakung from the Tree of Knowledge.
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Truly this is the central issue at the core of blind faith and belief in the intangible. To taste the fruit of the tree of knowledge is to achieve self-awareness, is to question, is to be critical and ultimately, is about having your own opinion. To live in the garden of Eden, on the other hand, is to live in ignorant bliss and pay allegiance to god by following the rules. Those who blindly follow the rules and do not question authority are practicing obedience and conformity, which was how Adam was designed.

So what is interesting about the bible is that it opens with this parable about innate human nature, as presented to us through Eve, curious for knowledge & desiring to taste of the forbidden fruit.

The consequences of tasting the fruit and achieving gnosis is to live outside the garden and know pain and death. But as a couple, they will do this together, and they will have free will to choose. It's an interesting scenario, or carrot depending on your vantage point, being presented to humanity. Live blissfully ignorant paying homage to god and his rules, or know.
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From the admittedly few things I've seen from Bill Nye I'd say he would be more convincing as an Abraham Lincoln impersonator than as a scientist. The fact that he can easily debunk these "theories" just shows how obviously far from reality they are.

"The debate of the decade?" Laughable. I really don't know why there is a debate at all ... of course, I think the same about other "theories" like Nazi UFOs coming from secret Antarctica bases and ancient aliens building the pyramids, so call me a hopeless sceptic (although our resident "Real Sceptics" might take offense).
 
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boomerang said:
It is that they are seemingly on a kind of well-funded Jihad to change the political and social landscape for everyone.
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Technocracy is merely the latest iteration of ye olde Scientific Socialism, a belief system that murdered hundreds of millions of human beings during the last century.

Pop media figures like Bill Nye and corporate foundation funded websites like Big Think are the primary means of keeping it fresh in into the minds of trendy youngsters after they leave public schooling institutions.
 

I am a big ship geek, I build scale models etc.. sort of like a train spotter but with ships.

So yes the point on the ark is a very valid one and yes the Wyoming was as big as it got Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because of her extreme length and wood construction, Wyoming tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold
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Funny it should jog my memory on the scale to which one can build with wood as far as shipping is concerned as it is something I have always understood but never connected it with the ark story.
 
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