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Bored with UFOs
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Paranormal Adept
Every once in a while i get burnt out on the UFO subject. However i suspect there are quite few grey areas that overlap in this field as suggested by the likes of Dr. Barry Taff - Alien Above Ghosts Below, Colm Kelleher & George Knapp - Hunt for the Skinwalker, and other amazing books.
However whenever i get down on the UFO field i like to revisit the cases that have the high strangeness factors and some of them ARE the older cases.
Here is a rare recording made in the late 1970's. It's great to hear all these famous UFO cases in the witnesses own voice.
Thanks to Greg Bishop at Radio Misterioso for finding this gem, posting and host it!
Rare Audio: 1978 UFO Record | Radio Misterioso
Direct links
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_1.mp3
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_2.mp3
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_3.mp3
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_4.mp3
Hope this can bring back some UFO interest for you
It certainly did for me
However whenever i get down on the UFO field i like to revisit the cases that have the high strangeness factors and some of them ARE the older cases.
Here is a rare recording made in the late 1970's. It's great to hear all these famous UFO cases in the witnesses own voice.
Thanks to Greg Bishop at Radio Misterioso for finding this gem, posting and host it!
Rare Audio: 1978 UFO Record | Radio Misterioso
Direct links
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_1.mp3
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_2.mp3
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_3.mp3
http://radiomisterioso.com/audio/UFO_Encounters/Side_4.mp3
Hope this can bring back some UFO interest for you
It certainly did for me
Stagger Lee
Paranormal Adept
bored? I think frustrated better fits my own line of thought. It's hard enough filtering the nonsense/hoax material from real cases needing further investigating. Even then, the frustration kicks in because we seem to just go in circles. Using the '94 Zimbabwe (?) case as an example- a school yard full of children describe the same encounter- no adults in the yard as they were all in the school having a meeting. All these years later, and we're no closer to understanding that particular encounter.
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pixelsmith
Guest
I don't get bored because I have seen one close enough to know there are indeed unexplained aircraft flying around our skies. The fact that the local airport tower and FAA said nothing was in the airspace near me speaks volumes. I don't give a ratzazz about anyone who says different.
Polterwurst
Paranormal Adept
I think the last show might be quite an antidote to feelings like that (which I too have quite frequently). If someone as honest, as no-nonsense and straightforward as Don Ecker can't get out of the field because his investigative mind tells him that there is something to it, I think you and I are absolutely entitled to that same gut feeling.
Other than that, I find it helps to look at the witness reports of the 2007 and 2010 National Press Club conferences, or at the very credible witness reports of people like Parviz Jafari or Walter Utter (a chief Lufthansa pilot here in Germany).
Of course, nothing beats having seen something you can't explain - even after looking at the many possibilities of misinterpretation - yourself. I guess, seeing is believing.
Other than that, I find it helps to look at the witness reports of the 2007 and 2010 National Press Club conferences, or at the very credible witness reports of people like Parviz Jafari or Walter Utter (a chief Lufthansa pilot here in Germany).
Of course, nothing beats having seen something you can't explain - even after looking at the many possibilities of misinterpretation - yourself. I guess, seeing is believing.
holls4msu
Paranormal Novice
I think experience keeps a person interested. I have yet to have a UFO encounter. I have dealt plenty with hauntings and spirit activity. Perhaps that's why I'm more interested in that type of paranormal activity. I think there are more questions than answers in the UFO field. People like Anya Briggs need to keep their mouths shut(I think shes lying about her ET/military abductions).It's hard to tell who is telling the truth and who is hoaxing anymore.
Polterwurst
Paranormal Adept
Not to be rude, but... quite frankly, I think this attitude of "being bored" by UFOs (and the "paranormal" field) is the very reason why tall-tale-tellers and charlatans exist in the first place. Not to mention silly (reality) TV programmes and movies like "The Fourth Kind" (if you remember, they actually pretended that there was "real" footage in it).
As Mr Imbrogno put it "you wanted stories, I gave you stories".
Being bored by UFOs to me would imply that you see them as nothing but a pastime. Not a genuine phenomenon but just entertainment. So, if there is a whole audience of people out there, who are waiting for the "next big thing" like another alleged crash site, footage of a belly-dancing grey at someone's backyard window or a new form of alien being described (like the reptodovian flying alien), you shouldn't be too surprised when these people turn up with their made-up stories and hoaxes to fill in the gap.
The sad thing is, they are absolutely destroying the credibility of the honest witnesses (which I think exist, for some of my personal examples see my last post). I don't even think there's need for "disinformation agents", these guys might all be doing it without some background agenda. Some of them (probably starting with George Adamski, later maybe even Billy "wedding cake" Meier) IMO might have even had one or two genuine sightings, after which they realized that there are people who want to hear more, and then, for some fame and money, they carry on happily hoaxing stuff and making up new stories and "exciting new theories". Because people get bored otherwise and because people will spend money on books and lectures of these tall tales and wholly made-up "interesting" new theories.
...um... sorry about the somewhat lengthy rant there.
ProphetofOccam
Paranormal Adept
I see it as a pasttime, and UFO's are probably the least interesting concept within the greater paranormal idea, to me; perhaps that makes sense. Though, I don't know that my interest, after the initial slip several years ago, is further declining.
The older stories, before everyone started telling the same Unsolved Mysteries episode over and over, are way more interesting and entertaining. I think that's why people harp on them.
The older stories, before everyone started telling the same Unsolved Mysteries episode over and over, are way more interesting and entertaining. I think that's why people harp on them.
Wade
FeralNormal master
Although the word bored is a little strong, I've never been terribly interested in the classic fleeting glimpse nuts and bolts sightings and I rarely weigh on on any discussions regarding them or more exactly the people who make them a focus. My interests leans heavily towards synchronicity and consciousness, even though I still can't get a handle on some concepts, because that's all I can relate to personally. Having said that holls4msu if you go to (here I go again) to albert rosales humanoid database you will NOT be bored. I promise you.
SlightlyAbovePar
Skilled Investigator
I hear ya Holls4msu. As Poulterwurst said, I think that's why the topic of UFOs seems to always veer off into never-never land. Our appetites for new info is huge and never ending. Those that have interesting experiences to share are pressured to speculate on aspects they might not really have any knowledge of. I think the popularity gained can be quite intoxicating. Those two factors equal stretching of the truth, in my opinion.
I don't think there is really anything truly "new". Sure, new experiences, new sightings, little pieces of information, but our understanding is at a standstill. It has been for a very long time. We don't know anything more - for certain - than we did decades ago. I don't think there is anything left to "learn" from out of focus pictures and fuzzy, erratic videos. Interesting to look at, for sure, but they don't evolve our understanding.
Appreciate the post Holls4msu
ETA: So, I can appreciate & understand your feelings. Makes perfect sense.
I don't think there is really anything truly "new". Sure, new experiences, new sightings, little pieces of information, but our understanding is at a standstill. It has been for a very long time. We don't know anything more - for certain - than we did decades ago. I don't think there is anything left to "learn" from out of focus pictures and fuzzy, erratic videos. Interesting to look at, for sure, but they don't evolve our understanding.
Appreciate the post Holls4msu
ETA: So, I can appreciate & understand your feelings. Makes perfect sense.
holls4msu
Paranormal Novice
Perhaps bored was strong word, but it's how I feel right now. I don't need anything flashy and exciting. Just some decent credible new cases. I feel like a lot of the field focuses on the past instead of the future.
Something has gotta change before the entire field goes stale. Maybe it will take a UFO landing in a corn felid here in Iowa lol.
Something has gotta change before the entire field goes stale. Maybe it will take a UFO landing in a corn felid here in Iowa lol.
I hold a different view
For me the subject of UFO's is the most important subject Humanity has ever put its mind to.
Are we alone in the vast universe ?
If we dont care about the answer to this question, then we dont deserve it either.
For me there are enough witness sightings, radar traces and physical evidence to suggest something is there
So the implications behind the question why the silence become really interesting.
If they are here, then the answer to why they dont say hello becomes a deeply interesting area of speculation to me
As for nothing changing in the last 50 years i disagree again
Look at this thread as a single example
Scientific proof we were created by aliens? | The Paracast Community Forums
50 years ago we thought it terms of flying crockery, today we are able to look at the enigma from angles they could never have even contemplated, and in my opinion the silence is tied to this evolution of technological knowledge.
The enigma seems to me to be akin to a carrot on a stick.
I get that thats frustrating to the donkey, but it works really well for the entity holding the stick.
If we recognise this, the next interesing question is where is this gambit leading us and why
For me the subject of UFO's is the most important subject Humanity has ever put its mind to.
Are we alone in the vast universe ?
If we dont care about the answer to this question, then we dont deserve it either.
For me there are enough witness sightings, radar traces and physical evidence to suggest something is there
So the implications behind the question why the silence become really interesting.
If they are here, then the answer to why they dont say hello becomes a deeply interesting area of speculation to me
As for nothing changing in the last 50 years i disagree again
Look at this thread as a single example
Scientific proof we were created by aliens? | The Paracast Community Forums
50 years ago we thought it terms of flying crockery, today we are able to look at the enigma from angles they could never have even contemplated, and in my opinion the silence is tied to this evolution of technological knowledge.
The enigma seems to me to be akin to a carrot on a stick.
I get that thats frustrating to the donkey, but it works really well for the entity holding the stick.
If we recognise this, the next interesing question is where is this gambit leading us and why
SlightlyAbovePar
Skilled Investigator
Naw, bored isn't a strong word. It's how you feel. Nobody can fault you for your opinions. Opinions are shared pretty freely here; some might disagree, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. You're entitled to your opinion, no matter what words you choose.
Evad
Paranormal Novice
I think that, like any genre of anything out there, things can get redundant at times. Much like 80's Glam Rock. Then Nirvana broke on the scene and everything changed and became relevant and interesting, and then it slid back into redundancy. The topic of UFO's is, IMO the most intriguing topic ever to grace us with it's presence because it has so many implications to history and the future. We basically need our Nirvana of Ufology to break onto the scene, be it a speaker, or a new case. Personally, I can do without another word about Roswell...
Polterwurst
Paranormal Adept
Problem being that you could easily tell the difference between Nirvana and a bad cover band.
SlightlyAbovePar
Skilled Investigator
Good points! I think it's the inevitable "feature creep" of our expectations (wants). We are, collectively, exhausted with photos and stories. We want proof! Actual, verifiable, repeatable proof. Admittedly, that's a tall order.
I just hope the 'next big thing' isn't moon bat craziness. No lasers pointed at objects (planes, satellites) in the sky, no ambassador to the stars nonsense, etc.
Then again, I'm left with the reminder of how visitors worked out for Native Americans. We might not want our questions answered.
ETA: apologies for autocorrect correcting me out of making any sense
I just hope the 'next big thing' isn't moon bat craziness. No lasers pointed at objects (planes, satellites) in the sky, no ambassador to the stars nonsense, etc.
Then again, I'm left with the reminder of how visitors worked out for Native Americans. We might not want our questions answered.
ETA: apologies for autocorrect correcting me out of making any sense
starise
Paranormal Adept
I can understand feeling that way. I get rather tired of the same stories told over and over with no more information that before.
What I'm noticing more and more is that the so called ufo field has become a sort of celebrity scene. A handful of people work the conference and talk show circuit. They promote their ideas and their books. IMHO some of these people are given way more credit than they deserve. Opportunists simply take advantage of the fact that people are looking for answers and they will accept opinions temporarily, but as you have seen this comes up empty after awhile.....we want to listen or read someone who KNOWS something.
So an entire business entity has been built up of people attempting to explain and rationalize these things. What makes it even more frustrating is that when faced with a real fact a lot of them look the other way because they themselves have been self programming for so long that anything else is hogwash.Worse yet there may be people in place specifically to throw others off of the real story.
At least a small percentage of people love a good yarn true or not and I suspect that it is at least some of this crowd who help to perpetuate a lot of horse poo in buying the products these people offer.
I am getting away from the idea of the so called ufo scene. It makes no sense. For one thing you are simply cattle in the chute going into a preplanned route. When it comes to ufos, the organizational structure is watering down the truth by offering too many detours. Simply pick the one that works for you.The organization itself is a detour. This celebrity knows that celebrity.....so what, none of you are telling us anything.
What I'm noticing more and more is that the so called ufo field has become a sort of celebrity scene. A handful of people work the conference and talk show circuit. They promote their ideas and their books. IMHO some of these people are given way more credit than they deserve. Opportunists simply take advantage of the fact that people are looking for answers and they will accept opinions temporarily, but as you have seen this comes up empty after awhile.....we want to listen or read someone who KNOWS something.
So an entire business entity has been built up of people attempting to explain and rationalize these things. What makes it even more frustrating is that when faced with a real fact a lot of them look the other way because they themselves have been self programming for so long that anything else is hogwash.Worse yet there may be people in place specifically to throw others off of the real story.
At least a small percentage of people love a good yarn true or not and I suspect that it is at least some of this crowd who help to perpetuate a lot of horse poo in buying the products these people offer.
I am getting away from the idea of the so called ufo scene. It makes no sense. For one thing you are simply cattle in the chute going into a preplanned route. When it comes to ufos, the organizational structure is watering down the truth by offering too many detours. Simply pick the one that works for you.The organization itself is a detour. This celebrity knows that celebrity.....so what, none of you are telling us anything.