Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/26/world/europe/26london.html?_r=2&ref=europe&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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British U.F.O. Shocker! Government Officials Were Telling the Truth
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Graphimancer
Skilled Investigator
don't you love the patronizing tone of the article, focusing on the silly stories and making x-files comments? I've come to develop my own serious doubts about the phenomena, but I really don't care for those who treat it as fluff.
Paranormal Packrat said:
“The government has been telling us the truth,” declared David Clarke, a senior lecturer in journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, who has a side interest in U.F.O.’s. “There are a lot of weird things in the sky, and some of them we can’t explain, but there’s not a shred of evidence for a single alien visitation.”
Flawless logic.
tommyball
Skilled Investigator
I don't care for the tone of the article either, nor for David Clarke's "logic."
Here's a quote from Nick Pope's site regarding the MoD release:
"These files don't prove we've been visited by aliens. Most UFOs can be explained as misidentifications of aircraft lights, satellites, meteors, stars and planets. But a small percentage are more difficult to explain and involve UFOs seen by police officers, commercial airline pilots and military personnel, or tracked on radar. Such incidents persuade me that whatever the true nature of the UFO phenomenon, it raises important defence, national security and flight safety issues."
Here's a quote from Nick Pope's site regarding the MoD release:
"These files don't prove we've been visited by aliens. Most UFOs can be explained as misidentifications of aircraft lights, satellites, meteors, stars and planets. But a small percentage are more difficult to explain and involve UFOs seen by police officers, commercial airline pilots and military personnel, or tracked on radar. Such incidents persuade me that whatever the true nature of the UFO phenomenon, it raises important defence, national security and flight safety issues."
Siani
Despiser of religious nuts
Clarke often comes across as a debunker to me. I've no issues with scepticism - it's healthy. But to me, Clarke always seems to approach UFO sightings with a predetermined assumption - that it's a misperception, hoax, misidentification, etc.
That said, Clarke's right in a sense. There isn't a shred of evidence to prove alien visitation. But we're not in a position to disprove alien visitation either. We simply don't know what this UFO business is all about. Although I'm no big fan of the ETH, it worries me equally when someone either wholeheartedly discredits, or champions, the ETH. If we believe too much in one possible theory - we could potentially blind ourselves to any vital clues this phenomenon may offer us to its identity and/or source.
That said, Clarke's right in a sense. There isn't a shred of evidence to prove alien visitation. But we're not in a position to disprove alien visitation either. We simply don't know what this UFO business is all about. Although I'm no big fan of the ETH, it worries me equally when someone either wholeheartedly discredits, or champions, the ETH. If we believe too much in one possible theory - we could potentially blind ourselves to any vital clues this phenomenon may offer us to its identity and/or source.
blindethos
Skilled Investigator
There isn't a shred of evidence that the ETH is correct. I think the hardest part about "disclosure" is clearly the fact that there are a lot of people who believe that this is in some way connected to extraterrestrials. The truth will be hard for so many of them. And so many of them are making a living peddling the ETH. The UK MOD is just trying to make it easier on those people by opening the valve slowly. The truth regarding the origin of this phenomenon is potentially far more destabilizing than the ETH.
blindethos
Skilled Investigator
I think the best advice would be for researchers to re-examine these phenomena without using any form of ETH prism.
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
Not a shred of evidence for the eth? Pfft. Micheal Jackson proves it.
There are cases that indicate et interaction, or other beings that are lying to us and just saying they're ets. There's a difference between evidence and proof though. IMO, the eth hasn't been proven, but there is possible evidence for it. In other words, I haven't been able to rule it out when looking at the facts of certain cases. Like the Betty and Barney Hill case. Or the Dogon tribe etc.
There are cases that indicate et interaction, or other beings that are lying to us and just saying they're ets. There's a difference between evidence and proof though. IMO, the eth hasn't been proven, but there is possible evidence for it. In other words, I haven't been able to rule it out when looking at the facts of certain cases. Like the Betty and Barney Hill case. Or the Dogon tribe etc.
Aaron LeClair
Paranormal Maven
CapnG said:
He beat me to it.