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BS Warning Signs

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Koji K.

Skilled Investigator
I decided to kill some time making a list of things that speakers say in the paranormal field that automatically trigger my suspicions. I was hoping to make a big list but didn't get very far - these were just off the top of my head. Can anyone think of any others? These aren't meant to be automatic signs of BS, btw, just things that make me pay a little more attention and become a little more skeptical...

“We're waiting for permission to disclose more.” / “This has to come out piece by piece, it's such a big story.”


Fine. Shut up and come back when you get permission, thank you for wasting our time. No offense, I'm sure you've done great work and are completely on the level, but surely you understand in this field many times that's been said before with absolutely no follow up.

“I can't divulge my sources, but...”


Do you work for the New York Times or the Washington Post? Or in other words, will you benefit more from making up information or a source than you would from fervently protecting an actual source? With “respectable” journalism, a reporter who reveals a source is pretty much ruining his career. Unfortunately memories are much shorter in the UFO/paranormal field, so the benefits to some unscrupulous individuals in making up information far outweigh the risks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and all that. Of course some sources need protection, but know then that your claims become dependent on your own credence and not the sources – so don't bother to continue with guarantees about how “high level” or “on the inside” your source is.

“You don't know what I know.”

See above. And do tell.

“We have evidence...”

Statements like this should immediately be followed by a sound description of the evidence and instructions on how or where to find it. Understand that the fundamental purpose of evidence is for a jury to evaluate.

“I saw evidence...”

Even worse. Just tell us what you saw, we'll decide if it's evidence or not.

“I use the term X/I call that X”


This just sounds too eager. We all do this from time to time I suppose, but this sometimes can sound suspiciously like an attempt to convey a sense of authority where none is warranted. Especially when the term used is a neologism, or where the phenomena described has already been well described using common-usage terminology by many other experiencers, witnesses, writers, and so on. It's especially odd to hear when not prefaced by some genuine-sounding pondering as to what to call something. It's somehow different when someone says "I *would* call it..", this implies a recognition that they're forced to fall back on some less-than-perfect or subjective description.

The speaker should at least be aware that just maybe he's not the only one who uses those terms. When you say "I call it..." you are *by definition* making something up, you're making up a description, which can be perfectly valid and honest but it still triggers that feeling that we are now leaving the realm of objective-based description (which must exist to some degree in communication) and entering a subjective world where the audience can easily lose track of the reference.

Then again sometimes you do need a new word to describe something, and sometimes you just don't know how else to describe something so you have your own word for it, I guess this is more something I have a problem with from experience than anything else.

"The lab results came back as showing that this could not have occurred naturally/could not be reproduced."

This is just a really, really vague statement which often masquerades as a statement full of meaning and implication. Think about how lab results look (anyone ever had a blood test done? think about how much more complex geological analysis results would appear): Is the speaker qualified to interpret them? What does "naturally" mean? What does it mean for something to be reproducible? Do- or can- labs have databases of all known material configurations? The answers to these questions may not be what you'd first assume.
 
Koji K. said:
I decided to kill some time making a list of things that speakers say in the paranormal field that automatically trigger my suspicions. I was hoping to make a big list but didn't get very far - these were just off the top of my head. Can anyone think of any others? These aren't meant to be automatic signs of BS, btw, just things that make me pay a little more attention and become a little more skeptical...

As these things tend to turn out, its probably easier to go the other way, and state that those like Jacques Vallee who say 'i haven't the foggiest idea whats going on' tend to be the people you can trust. Everyone else being total BS merchants, of course.

A bit of a sweeping statement maybe but I think its close to the truth, unfortunately.
 
Yep, the easiest way to make me think someone is on the level is to come out and admit that you're not the one with the answers, exactly like Vallee.

I know it's kind of sweeping, very sweeping in fact- I don't mean this to be anything "absolute," (I don't have the answers!) I just meant it to be something that kind of shows what gets my heckles up..
 
I'll argue for these two:

“I can't divulge my sources, but...”

I've said this in different words and it's because I feel the information is important but I can't rat out the source, who would deny it anyway. I'd be hesitant to use this line if it were, say, a military person admitting something about Roswell or Area 51 or anything like that--because I, too, would suspect it's BS. But when people tell you personal things in confidence that affect the way we view these topics, I think that's important to get out without sourcing.

“We have evidence...”

I agree if it's in a book. But if you're on a talk show you don't have a lot of time to cite everything. Maybe you could give an example or two but you can't blab through a bibliography.

A big warning sign for me is when the sentence starts off with, "Hello, my name is Stephen Greer...."
 
I used to be a disbeliever, then I became enlightened
This always sets the alarm bells a-ringing for me. It also bugs me because of the implied superiority factor, suggesting that those who don't "believe" are unenlightened.

I have been channeling...
I never hear the end of this sentence, as I've already left.
 
I have an aversion to contactees - not people who've had 'experiences' but those who claim to be the sole representative of the 'space brothers'. The same goes for those who claim that they are God's messenger here on Earth.
 
ArizonaWill said:
Anyone who will not answer a direct question with a direct answer to that question, especially when the question could be answered with "Yes" or "No".

We have people like that here in the UK - we call them 'politicians'. :D
 
1. "Well it's not clear what happened to the original photos/negatives/video".

They were lost, confiscated, eaten, de-materialized, fill-in-the-blank. If the original photos or videos are gone then we are left with another empty lead. Isn't it amazing how many of these photos get lost or confiscated??? BullShooky. Don't try to convince me with your second or third copy, compressed photoshopped double exposed crap. "Smithers, find me the originals or I'll release the hounds on you"

2. "A secret lab tested these implants"

So, a lab that apparently doesn't even exist decided to test the iron pieces that came out of your foot. And, in addition, the lab confirmed the presence of non-terrestrial components and an apparent radio beacon to Zog. Obviously I don't have the full scoop because my eardrums vehemently protested and began bleeding when "secret lab" was uttered.
 
ArizonaWill said:
Rick Deckard said:
ArizonaWill said:
Anyone who will not answer a direct question with a direct answer to that question, especially when the question could be answered with "Yes" or "No".

We have people like that here in the UK - we call them 'politicians'. :D

I am so glad I live in the USA where this just would not happen because we don't have politicians, just statesmen (like Churchill?). :D

Have you heard in the UK that the governor of New York had to quit because he was spending thousands of dollars (granted, the dollar is at a record low, but it's still money....) on high class prostitutes? What in the world could that girl (Kristen) have done with him that is worth thousands per hour? :confused: Maybe that question deserves its own thread? I can be so naive about such things.

I would hit her like the fist of an angry god

By hit I mean ...well you know... giggity
 
"If you read my book, it is all in there. The short version is..."
Whenever I hear this I know there is a high likelyhood that BS is soon to follow.

OR

"Hi my name is Dr. Stephen Greer..."
Yeah, I know, too easy but still a bit funny.
 
valiens said:
A big warning sign for me is when the sentence starts off with, "Hello, my name is Stephen Greer...."

RonCollins said:
"Hi my name is Dr. Stephen Greer..."
Yeah, I know, too easy but still a bit funny.

Tell me about it.

When I first saw Dr. Greer's two hour Disclosure Project NPC briefing video, I was impressed, except one thing threw me off- that lady somewhere (Dr. Carol Rosin?) towards the end who sounded like a second-rate actress talking about how she worked with Dr. Von Braun and how he warned her about the aliens and so on and so on, in her mock German accent. I thought something was up with that... She seemed less a witness of anything than someone with an agenda.

Then, I recently listened to his first Paracast appearance (my first introduction to Dr. Greer aside from the video). I noticed that in two hours of talking he brings up one- just one!- allusion to the DC project witness testimony (he doesn't mention her by name), and it's basically Dr. Rosin's testimony about factions within the government wanting to trick the people into believing the aliens are evil, which he alludes to because it reinforces his view that the aliens are here to help us and they've got free energy-candy and so on and so on. All these credible witnesses, and he picks the loon to run with? Something's really off there. Almost as if all the real credible witnesses were thrown in to bolster Dr. Rosins and/or a handful of others that Greer intended to use for his own cult/trip. What a fraud- or worse. :mad:

Could probably add "I answered the CIA director after he asked me 'who was controlling the shadow government'..." as one...
 
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