Can someone get me up to speed?

[Gareth]

Hey guys...

I just found this site today. Im not new to the Internet, however, I am new to 'Ufology'.

I was hoping someone could give me a quick crash course and get me up to speed on a few things (in an effort to avoid trawling through random forum after random forum etc).

1. So Ive seen the Greer press conference of 2001. Very convincing stuff. Is he still credible? Whats with his crazy 'higher consciousness' stuff hes also into? Is it just that after so many years in the field hes just willing to do anything? (Ive listened to the Oct 2001 cast and am about to listen to the earlier 2001 cast).

2. Can someone point me to whats believed to the best (a)still image and (b)video of anything ET-related? (again this would be hugely appreciated so I dont have to waste hours searching).

3. What are peoples thoughts on the 'dragon fly drones'? What are peoples thoughts on earthfiles.com (the subscription model seems a bit of a strange decision - especially in this field).

Thats probably it for now. Anything anyone can help me with would be hugely appreciated.... also anything you think I need to know to be brought up to speed on any current happenings or ideas.

Loving the site so far. I know Ill probably end up listening to every one of the podcasts. In the mean time Ill continue browsing the forum! Thanks in advance...

GSB

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Hey guys...

I just found this site today. Im not new to the Internet, however, I am new to 'Ufology'.

I was hoping someone could give me a quick crash course and get me up to speed on a few things (in an effort to avoid trawling through random forum after random forum etc).

1. So Ive seen the Greer press conference of 2001. Very convincing stuff. Is he still credible? Whats with his crazy 'higher consciousness' stuff hes also into? Is it just that after so many years in the field hes just willing to do anything? (Ive listened to the Oct 2001 cast and am about to listen to the earlier 2001 cast).

2. Can someone point me to whats believed to the best (a)still image and (b)video of anything ET-related? (again this would be hugely appreciated so I dont have to waste hours searching).

3. What are peoples thoughts on the 'dragon fly drones'? What are peoples thoughts on earthfiles.com (the subscription model seems a bit of a strange decision - especially in this field).

Thats probably it for now. Anything anyone can help me with would be hugely appreciated.... also anything you think I need to know to be brought up to speed on any current happenings or ideas.

Loving the site so far. I know Ill probably end up listening to every one of the podcasts. In the mean time Ill continue browsing the forum! Thanks in advance...

GSB

Hi, welcome to the forum.

1. No. He makes tall claims, and very often is very short on evidence. As for the conference, some are credible, some aren't. I recommend caution with Clifford Stone as an example. Clif did some good work in the 70s, with getting documents through the FOIA but has lost it over the years. To Greer's credit, he made Dan Burisch sit out instead of speak at the conference though. Yeah Greer.

2. Tough one. I just woke up, maybe later. Well, The 1958 Trindade Island Brazil saturn-shaped UFO pics come to mind. And the surrounding issue.

3. Dragonfly drones? That the Chad photos? If not, let me know. I am aware of something reported by the "Intruders" lady of a mechanical dragon fly and would be interested if others have reported this. If you are referring to the Chad pics, I'm not impressed with them.

Visit this site to give you a decent low down on some of the crackpots in the field, and some of the better people. http://ufowatchdog.com/

 

[Gareth]

Thanks!

Yep - the Chad pics... but more than that I was interested in the whole issue. (The earthfiles podcast has done around 10 shows with different witnesses).

Thanks for your reply.

 

[TClaeys]

GSB,

1. Greer is not credible IMO. He has done some things in the past that brought credible people and coupled them with complete wackos. Anything good he has seemed to have accomplished has been negatively countered with garbage. Now he insists that there is a cute alien baby, free energy, and space brothers here to help us and save us. He does a lot of harm to the subject, but he is popular among those that buy his crap. And they pay money to have him "vector in" ufos.
2. There is a lot of debate among pictures and video. Even Trinidad. It seems (and I'll try to find the recent article) that the photographer of these photos wrote an article on how to make fake ufo pictures. And as you look into this case you find that there really aren't any first hand witnesses. I can't say that I've found a photo or video that is really compelling to me. Maybe Mcminville. And there has been some hubbub about Dorothy Izzats video, but that is another story.
3. You can waste time with the drones or not. Up to you. Linda Moulten Howe seems to like to intertwine credible science stories with the zany ones. I think this tries to lend credibility to her and her site. But I also think she is quite gullible and will "report" any damn story without a bit of skepticism. She reports for Coast and for Striebers podcast. She hasn't done anything other than stretch out a known hoax (drones) among other BS.

If you explore this site and it's podcasts, you'll find some very good discussion on these topics and will gain a better sense of who is who and perhaps, what is what. Welcome, hope you find what you are looking for.

 

[Gareth]

Cheers.

Much appreciated.

Without going too far into it: As much as Greer has discredited himself now with his paid retreats and ideas.... has anyone ever proven that his 2001 press conference was not real? I understand there is some concern about some of the body language of a few of his 'witnesses', but all in all The Disclosure Project is deemed to be credible, correct?

Thanks again.

 

[Chuckleberryfinn]

The event moderated by Gov. Fyfe Symington in November 07, produced by James Fox and Leslie Kean, is an example of a far more credible National Press Club event. You can find transcripts at Kean's website. Once I even watched footage of the entire event on youtube, but it was removed within a few days, probably at Fox's request since he's presently making a movie with that footage.

 

[Ron Collins]

Welcome to the Forums. Yeah, you will end up listening to the podcasts. They are like audible crack. I have listened to some 10 times or more.

1 -- Greer mixed good, credable stories (Robert Salas) and some utter bunk (Clifford Stone). Greer now sells jaunts (I think the going rate is $1000 US) into the countryside with a flashlight and will vector in UFO's. Oh, and he "Has held the most beautiful alien baby". or something like that. There are more than a few podcasts here that will cover Greer in detail. Specifically the following come to mind.

October 29 2006 - Interview with Greer

September 23 2008 - About X-Conference 2007

April 6 2008 - About X-Conference 2008

A bit of a warning. You will hear a great deal of contempt in the X-Conference ones. In order to understand where that comes from you will have to listen to a great number of the podcasts. After you do that, the chances that you will share this contempt are high. Anywho...

2 - As you will here over and over here, images mean nothing. There is no image that will ever convince anyone. Believe me, I used to think pictures were great evidence. This forum has an unusually large number of very good image experts. They will convince you, as they have done me, that most images mean nothing. But...if you want to see the good ones, check out a guy called Billy Meir......Just kidding. Look at Dr. Bruce Macabee's site. Universally, he is recognized as the definative image expert in the field. Pleant there to look at with backup of why it is a good image.

3 - Bunk. Utter trash and not worth the time.

The forums are a great source of information. If it is in the field, it is most like discussed in this forum by good objective people (at least most of the time).

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Sssshhh. We have Greer already booked for a future show. I'll let you know the date shortly, assuming it all happens as planned.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Sssshhh. We have Greer already booked for a future show. I'll let you know the date shortly, assuming it all happens as planned.

 

[Gareth]

Excellent!

Im listening to one of the earlier Greer shows right now.

Specifically though.... theres no hard evidence to suggest that his 2001 witnesses were not being truthful? Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseam the past.

 

[Gareth]

Also... just browsing the list of casts on the front page... there doesnt seem to be a show discussing the Nov12/07 press club event. Is that correct or did I miss it?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Also... just browsing the list of casts on the front page... there doesnt seem to be a show discussing the Nov12/07 press club event. Is that correct or did I miss it?

Welcome aboard.

I think this episode, from March 23, and featuring journalist Leslie Kane, will cover some of that:

http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/media.blubrry.com/paranormal/www.theparacast.com/podcasts/paracast_080323.mp3

Enjoy.

 

[Ron Collins]

Excellent!

Im listening to one of the earlier Greer shows right now.

Specifically though.... theres no hard evidence to suggest that his 2001 witnesses were not being truthful? Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseam the past.

There are MANY good and solid witnesses. There are also really bad ones. This coupled with Greer’s antics reflect badly on the rest of the good stories.

Edgar Mitchell would agree with me. As he states in this well known letter to the Washington Times after they ran a story on Greer and the Disclosure Project.

Jack, et al: The Washington Times (story) on UFO disclosure mentions my name as a witness for the Disclosure Project -- which I am not ...and have not been.

I cooperated with Steve Greer some years ago, but he began to overreach his data continuously, necessitating a withdrawal by myself, and, I believe, several others. I have requested to be removed from any web site, announcements, etc., but see that has not taken place.

Although I firmly believe it is time for openness and disclosure by government, I object to being misused in this fashion and acquire guilt by association with certain claims that simply are not true.

I, nor any crew I was on (I was on three Apollo crews), received any briefing before or after flights on UFO events, saw anything in space suggesting UFOs or structures on the moon, etc. We did it just like we said in official reports. My only claim to knowledge of these events is from the individuals, mostly of yesteryear, who were in government, intelligence, or military; were there, saw what they saw, and now believe it should be made public. But I claim no first hand knowledge, nor have any. Pass it on to the rest of the net, if you will.

--Edgar Mitchell


At the end of the day it’s your personal perception of the witnesses and their stories that counts. I know of nobody that takes this field seriously that did not initially have mountains of respect for Greer and everyone that participated. However, over time some of the stories began to smell rotten. They didn’t quite jive. Now that Gene let us know that Greer is booked, hold on to your hat. Because with a day or two the Greer question threads will start lighting up.

But, I wouldn't get my hopes up for answers to any questions. The guy is VERY adept in the art of double speak and misdirection. Though, I think David will be politely determined....with various degrees of politeness no doubt.

 

[Gareth]

Thanks for the reply Ron. One thing I noticed while listening to the Green interviews of 06 on the ParaCast was the way he didnt answer certain questions particularly well. For instance: the way he refers to himself whenever he feels it will help him make a point, that he is only a hick country doctor from West Virginia (or wherever). Im speaking specifically about his response to the notion that he should put ALL his materials on public domain free video sites, and that if he was really serious about this thing he would surely do it in a second. As I understand it he still has not done this almost 2 years later - correct?

As far as his claims of an alien baby at the x-conference.... was that the 08 or 07 conference? I *just* started listening to the (mammoth) 2008 X-con wrap up show, but as I understand it Greer was not at the conference in 08 but he was in in 07.. ? I particularly want to get up to speed on the latest Greer stuff before he is back for the ParaCast.

Thanks again for your help in getting me 'up to speed'

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Greer has been a doctor here in my home state of NC. I've never ran into him though.

 

[Gareth]

The event moderated by Gov. Fyfe Symington in November 07, produced by James Fox and Leslie Kean, is an example of a far more credible National Press Club event. You can find transcripts at Kean's website. Once I even watched footage of the entire event on youtube, but it was removed within a few days, probably at Fox's request since he's presently making a movie with that footage.

I actually acquired the video of this conference today via veoh. So if anyone is looking for it check out that site (legal as far as I can tell).

 

[Aaron LeClair]

The event moderated by Gov. Fyfe Symington in November 07, produced by James Fox and Leslie Kean, is an example of a far more credible National Press Club event. You can find transcripts at Kean's website. Once I even watched footage of the entire event on youtube, but it was removed within a few days, probably at Fox's request since he's presently making a movie with that footage.

I actually acquired the video of this conference today via veoh. So if anyone is looking for it check out that site (legal as far as I can tell).

Cool site. Never heard of Veoh til now. I also just found Hulu.com which is similar.

I posted the conference a long time ago I think. Can't recall what thread it's in though.

 

[Gareth]

I hadnt heard of it until today either. I was - dare I say it - looking for a torrent. Its a great site though yeah.... I also watched the entire Aykroyd unplugged movie through the site too.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

I hadnt heard of it until today either. I was - dare I say it - looking for a torrent. Its a great site though yeah.... I also watched the entire Aykroyd unplugged movie through the site too.

Thats there? Cool, I've never seen it and wasn't going to spend money on it. If I remember correctly Sereda is part of that dvd, and he's another nut. But I might check it out sometime.

I looked for older seasons of Hell's Kitchen at the site your posted, but they only had the recent season. One of the only shows I watch. Not sure why I like the show btw lol. I'll look around for paranormal stuff. Guess it would be in a documentary section.

Oh, as for torrents, they always download real slow for me. I use Ares a p2p app which is pretty cool and fairly quick. Maybe try that if you didn't find the torrent you were looking for.

 

[Gareth]

I love Kitchen Nightmares (Gordon Ramseys earlier show) - but Hells Kitchen just seems like any other reality TV show to me. Nightmares was great just to see the state some of those kitchens were in!

As far as the Aykroyd film: I wouldnt get too worries about not seeing it. I guess theres some good footage from NASA (that I hadnt seen anyway - basically a high speed light moving space that does an instant 70-80degree turn)... but the rest is just the usual fare.