CIA to reveal decades of misdeeds

[Rick Deckard]

The CIA are publishing documents about their 'dodgy' deeds carried out between the years 1950 and 1970 - but they're different now, they don't do those sorts of things any more. Yeah, right...

The BBC Article

The Guardian Article

 

[Tommy Allison]

Of course they don't. If you think they do, you must have something to hide, therefore you're with the terrorists.

 

[Rick Deckard]

Of course they don't. If you think they do, you must have something to hide, therefore you're with the terrorists.

Yeah, which is why I'm having CCTV installed in my home, so the authorities can keep on eye on me. I'm a little uncomfortable about the 'toilet' cam, but I've been told it's for my own good...apparently suicide bombers hide bombs in all sorts of places, so if I've got "nothing to hide" I shouldn't worry about it.

These draconian measures are absolutely necessary in the continuing pursuit of a 'free' society...

 

[Tommy Allison]

Hey, if you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.

To think all those soldiers who died during all the wars to fight to keep this nation free from tyranny... They must be spinning in their graves.

 

[Rick Deckard]

Hey, if you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.

To think all those soldiers who died during all the wars to fight to keep this nation free from tyranny... They must be spinning in their graves.

You know, something that's been bothering me for a while now, is this: What happened to Nazi's when the Second World War ended? I know a large number of Nazi scientists were captured and sent to the USA (project 'paperclip') and Russia to develop their space programs, but what happened to the 'architects' of the Nazi plan for 'Global Domination'? Did some escape and join other groups? Is it possible that the Nazi's were just one of many 'faces' of a larger organisation operating elsewhere in the world? Is it possible that they have infiltrated Western governments? Or are Western governments yet another 'face' of the same secret organisation that created the Nazi's?

 

[cottonzway]

Hey, if you have nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.

To think all those soldiers who died during all the wars to fight to keep this nation free from tyranny... They must be spinning in their graves.

Not only are they spinning in their graves but our founding fathers would be ashamed of us. I am ashamed of my country. I am ashamed of myself for not getting involved more and not doing more to stop this disease that has infested my country. The Untied States has been so disgraced to the whole free world that I doubt our honor can be repaired. That won't stop me and many people like me from screaming about their evils at the top of their lungs about the deeds done for this wickedness. They do not represent me and good human beings in this country and there is no means on earth that can stop the TRUTH of their evil from comming out the whole country at some time.

 

[musictomyears]

You know, something that's been bothering me for a while now, is this: What happened to Nazi's when the Second World War ended?

I can tell you, because I grew up there.

After the war, leading Nazi's were tried in Nürnberg and sentenced.

Nuremberg trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, the vast majority of former (and often devout Nazis) simply melted back into to the general population.

The entire Nazi thing was very much age related. You could occasionally hear older Germans privately brag about their wartime heroism, however they would practically never do so in public. Even today, there are very strict laws banning public displays of Nazi symbolism and rhetoric.

As more and more older German men simply died because of old age, one would come across less and less people indulging in war romanticism. For the overwhelming majority of younger Germans who were born after the war, the entire WW2 situation is, generally speaking, a huge embarrassment, and Naziism nothing to be associated with - ever. Obviously, there are exceptions, mostly to be found in the former socialist East of Germany. These unfortunate exceptions only have a negligible effect on the general political landscape (I know this might be difficult to believe, given the international press coverage).

Coming back to older German men, and their lingering sympathies for Naziism, there was a rather prominent case a few decades back. You can read about it here:

Hans Filbinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rick Deckard]

Thanks for that - of course, I do know about the Nürnberg trials, but suspect that they didn't capture and try everyone involved. Some of the Nazi scientists who were given immunity under project 'paperclip' were relocated to the US and worked on the space program. At least 2 of them have since been charged with various 'war crimes' and have had their US citizenship revoked.

The recent trial of Saddam was also twisted - the US pressured the Iraqis to 'drop' certain charges against Saddam because those cases would have brought 'unpalatable' truths into the public domain about how the Western governments supplied and supported Saddam in his actions against his 'domestic enemies'...

...war is a very dirty business indeed. Good and evil are very subjective.

 

[erik5387]

Didn’t a lot of them (at least from the SS) end up escaping to South America? Several years ago when I was in college I met a guy with a rather Germanic name, who also looked like a poster child for the Aryan race (tall, blond hair, blue eyes, etc.), but he spoke with a South American accent. This of course made me curious so I asked him where he was from. Turns out he was a 3rd generation German by way of Brazil, his grandfather was a low level Nazi who escaped with his family close to the end of WWII and lived out the rest of his days in a German speaking community there. According to him there are several large German populations, not only in Brazil, but in other parts of South America as well….most of these existed before the war only to become larger close to its end when folks were emigrating from Germany.

If memory serves I think the Nazi hunters eventually found and tried a few higher ranking ex-SS men that were living in South America, who were allegedly brought there by the American OSS and CIA for safekeeping. Hmmmmm….who knows?

 

[The Hawk]

Did anyone else happen to notice that they are set to start releasing the files on the 60th anniversary of Roswell?

Yeah, that can't be a coincidence..

I doubt they will be releasing any info on Roswell but that sure would be a funny way for them to do a disclosure. I wouldn't be surprised if Disclosure were to happen with a official release of critical documents and closed lips. I mean hey that's how governments usually air their dirty secrets. They just declassify documents and let things slowly trickle outward.

 

[Rick Deckard]

I think the US army have said that the 'Roswell files' were destroyed a long time ago.

One thing that I find 'hilarious' is when they release a document with 95% of the information blacked out - what a joke.

 

[The Hawk]

They only black out that much if it's a UFO document.
They are going to look pretty stupid when they release these documents with only 20% blacked out and the UFO documents still 90% blacked out.

 

[auntiegrav]

You know, something that's been bothering me for a while now, is this: What happened to Nazi's when the Second World War ended? I know a large number of Nazi scientists were captured and sent to the USA (project 'paperclip') and Russia to develop their space programs, but what happened to the 'architects' of the Nazi plan for 'Global Domination'? Did some escape and join other groups? Is it possible that the Nazi's were just one of many 'faces' of a larger organisation operating elsewhere in the world? Is it possible that they have infiltrated Western governments? Or are Western governments yet another 'face' of the same secret organisation that created the Nazi's?

I think this (or part of it) is in Nick Cook's book, "The Hunt for Zero Point". The Global Domination faction isn't quite so evident as the Security Faction of the Nazis: evident in the rings of security and compartmentalization of secrets for projects which even the Pentagon can't find anymore if they want to. Like in "Raiders of the Lost Ark", when they put the crate in a warehouse someplace and it gets forgotten among millions of other crates.
Then the cross-referenced records are burned in a fire, like when they burned the NavPers office (or was that BuPers?)......(just kidding...maybe).
Once the cross-reference link is broken, forget it. Now they are just "German farm immigrants who enlisted prior to xxxxx date", or "No Birth Certificate" note on a DD-something or other form". There are lots of ways to bury people and resurrect them again as somebody benign. 'Funny' how a little country like Israel can dig up some obscure prison camp guard who has moved to 14 different countries and is living with goats and alpacas in the Andes, but the Great U.S. Intelligence Machine can't find one terrorist with a gimp arm and a kidney dialysis machine strapped to his back and a permanent link to a TV station....
Things to make you go "huh".
What sells more Ding Dongs; capturing the enemy and ending a war, or hundreds of thousands of soldiers bravely fighting for Freedom, Choice (point), and the American Way (drive in front of Wal-Mart)?
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