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Dangers of the paranormal?

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Rudolf Steiner

Skilled Investigator
One of the favourites "arguments" for the debunkers against the paranormal, states that lurking or searching in this thing can bring you nuts, can turn you into a total psychotic loser (it's a very lovecraftian argument, those who tread upon forbidden lore shall be danmed!). My question is: reading and studying about the paranormal, can be dangerous? Or crazy people is crazy, prior to reading about UFO's and occultism? Are the dangers of paranormal real or something that Dawkins pull out of his ass?
 
Getting involved in this topic is highly toxic to both mental and professional health, and I can make that statement from direct experience.

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Well, even being in the wrong job can be toxic to your mental health. I think one's personality and core value and belief system plays a major factor into how you will react to both the phenomenon and the personalities involved in the field. One can never colour in between the lines so to speak with this or much of anything in my opinion.
 
I think it is, but only because it is defined by the fringes of human experience. And there are those who want to examine and have experienced these fringes, and there are those who wish to dwell in these fringes, because there is nowhere else they find comfortable dwelling.
 
... lurking or searching in this thing ... can turn you into a total psychotic loser (it's a very lovecraftian argument, those who tread upon forbidden lore shall be danmed!).

I think if you're grounded--if you know who you are, where you came from, and where you're going--then you can "be not afraid" and face anything.

But those who have lost their moorings can quickly find themselves lost, tossed around by the waves of murky seas of uncertainty, leading to inner turmoil, anger, cynicism, and depression. Pile on a bunch of hasty, reflexive, poor choices about life, and you've got a real pile of wasted human potential.

Plus, "You are what you eat." And that goes for intellectual, emotional, spiritual, etc. "food" as well. If you fill your mind up with weirdness, don't be surprised if your friends stop returning your calls.

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I think it is, but only because it is defined by the fringes of human experience. And there are those who want to examine and have experienced these fringes, and there are those who wish to dwell in these fringes, because there is nowhere else they find comfortable dwelling.

Excellent point. Perhaps though one can be comfortable in the fringe yet still be very much sane when the mainstream is just covert insanity itself? ;)
 
It would be interesting to know how much people spend dwelling on this/these topics per day/week.

I don't know how some people find the time and resource to commit to this stuff and balance there current life, occupation, and other interests.
Suppose its like an addiction, the curiousity taking you further and further down into the dead end, and then you realised you could have been doing something more useful instead.

Maximum investment, Minimum Return is always a road to ruin.

Must wash the car more often....

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I'd advise anyone who hasn't had a paranormal experience, NOT to seek it out. Whatever lies behind these phenomena, it seems to like messing with human minds. As to reading/researching paranormal topics, my personal take on it is that all things in moderation would be a good principle to apply. Anything that tips the scale from healthy interest to obsession is potentially harmful, whether it's an obsession with UFOs or train-spotting.
 
Jpw, Drew and Siani, you've all nailed it.

Jpw,

I think if you're grounded--if you know who you are, where you came from, and where you're going--then you can "be not afraid" and face anything.

I often think of myself as a bit of a loser to be honest, my logical side knows this isn't reality but unfortunately my creative nature overrides everything and I all to often feel like crap.
Therefore I believe I need to learn how to juggle. :confused:

Drew,

I don't know how some people find the time and resource to commit to this stuff and balance there current life, occupation, and other interests.

Selfish genes, dead end jobs and a wife who is perhaps too accommodating, and of course a car that never looks dirty, at least to me. ;)

Siani,

I'd advise anyone who hasn't had a paranormal experience, NOT to seek it out. Whatever lies behind these phenomena, it seems to like messing with human minds. As to reading/researching paranormal topics, my personal take on it is that all things in moderation would be a good principle to apply. Anything that tips the scale from healthy interest to obsession is potentially harmful, whether it's an obsession with UFOs or train-spotting.

Words from the wise indeed. Wanna see my model Tank collection? :)

All that said though, I am far happier being fascinated by all this than being caught up in a Rat race forever doomed to feel like I dont have enough. I have run my own business before and wound up feeling more stressed than at any other time in my life.
We may never get the answers we all seek but it's important to keep questioning, and with regard to David's comments and very real negative consequent reality I am convinced that all his and Gene's efforts WILL pay off.

In the time I have been a listener and forum member I have learned so very much and I have made more and better friends than at any other time and for that I am very grateful.

Mark


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I can say it's very frustrating on a personal level to search and search for answers only to be met with charlatans, hoaxers and get-rich quick self promoters who promise those answers.

The truth may be "out there" but it's not a statement, it's a question. It just takes one (me personally) a long time to realize it.
 
I was interested in weird things since I read, at the tender age of five years the Revelations book. I haven't experience any paranormal thing, but always have the feeling that "something" is hidding from us, maybe my ultrarationalist militance was some sort of self defense or delusion against that unncany feeling, but maybe not:confused:
 
Strange, I don't think I've ever heard a debunker use the argument that the paranormal leads to insanity. Mind you, I have met some fuck crazy people involved in the paranormal but I assume they were crazy to begin with.
 
You are a lump of Play-Dough.
The "paranormal" is the "Fun-Factory."
Go ahead, jump in, if you dare.
What's the worst that could happen? It's going to happen anyhow.
Rule #1: Hurt none save yourself.
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Rule #1: Hurt none save yourself.
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sorry to ask, but what do you mean exactly by that, just to clarify.
 
I'd advise anyone who hasn't had a paranormal experience, NOT to seek it out. Whatever lies behind these phenomena, it seems to like messing with human minds. As to reading/researching paranormal topics, my personal take on it is that all things in moderation would be a good principle to apply. Anything that tips the scale from healthy interest to obsession is potentially harmful, whether it's an obsession with UFOs or train-spotting.

I think that hits it. Moderation. Excess of anything is probably too much and will have an adverse effect on any given person whatever the topic.

However Siani I'm not sure what you mean by "seek it out". Are you saying trying to seek out the experience itself or seek out some understanding of the topic. I don't think there is anything wrong with intellectual curiosity that ignites some ferver for the truth in such matters. They are interesting whether you are an "experiencer" or not at least to me.

Some non-experiencers might not have any interest because they just completely dismiss the topic because of lack of something tangible challenging their reality. On the other hand, perhaps the topic has a greater hold and poses a greater potential threat to those that are experiencers. It seems to be able to allow some kind of grip on it's "victims". I don't know that I want any part of that.

But I don't think the danger is the "paranormal". The danger is excessive and maybe obssesive indulgence. It could just as well be "fashion" or "NFL" or "eating". For me though, the paranormal serves as a basis for asking questions that we don't normally ask. What is our reality and what is the nature of such alleged anomalies?? I've always been interested in the extremes, the what if's, and the accounts of seemingly credible people. But I won't let it rule me, .... at least that is what I told my ouji board;)
 
There was a 22 year old "kid" in Thailand (I believe) who grew so consumed with playing video games at an Internet cafe that he was spending days at a time there online. Eventually he collapsed in the cafe and died. He'd not eaten, drank, nor showered in days. I've seen people get so involved in a hobby that they've left family and friends, their marriages actually ending in divorce. I've also seen the negative aspects of 'hunting' the paranormal, John Keel, for instance; so consumed with his research and what he had found or discovered that he died alone after shunning his friends and living in a life of poverty.

Studying the paranormal is no more, or less, consuming than any other intellectual endeavor, and yes, it is an intellectual endeavor for those of us that are serious about it. There are dangers of obsession, neglect of our families, and loss of sleep, work, and social time. If you lose your balance you will stumble and at that point you can become consumed by ghost hunting, UFO research, cryptozoology, etc. However in the end I do NOT believe there's any more danger in paranormal research than any other field of interest or hobby. Those of us that do slip over that line, I believe, were already flawed in some way. Either we didn't recognize the warning signs or didn't have a solid support structure in family or friends, but it happened... or happens.

As far as having a paranormal experience, well, I, for one, welcome it. I did have my 'first' paranormal experience just over two months ago on a casual ghost hunt (I witnessed a shadow with no apparent source), but to me that was relatively minor. Mentally, emotionally I believe I'm ready for just about anything. I know that's an arrogant statement and people who have had experiences are now shaking their heads and mumbling that I have NO idea what I'm talking about.

But that's my point. David has questioned people with that very attitude on the show before, stating that people wanting to have an experience are fools that he does not understand, but let me try to put it into perspective; I have a question, "Does the paranormal exist." You can break that down to, "Do ghosts exist? Do UFO's exist? Do cryptozoological beasts exit?" etc... Now the shadow encounter was close but based on some of the other experiences I've heard of, I'm not sure my question is answered. To someone like myself, David and the rest of all experiencers are the ones who are lucky. Why? Because they have the answer to those obsessive questions. As David points out, he KNOWS the answer to those questions, he doesn't just BELIEVE in the answer. People like me don't, and it's like an itch under the skin we cannot scratch now matter how close we come.

Now I'm not so naive as to miss the fact that even if I see that full-bodied apparition or that cigar-shaped object hovering in the sky that sure, I may answer 'that' question though I know it will open the door to thousands more. Nevertheless, at least that overall pressing question will have been answered. The flood gate would be opened to research the rest, and I would then KNOW that something was there, ghost, UFO, whatever paranormal experience it is.
Until that time I have to sit and watch from the sideline, scratching my head in wonder at this anecdote or that one. It's frustrating and infuriating at the same time.

Perhaps that's where the obsession starts? Perhaps that's the danger if we were to lose perspective? Having studied martial arts for nearly 2 decades, on and off, I understand the concept of balance, and strive to maintain it in my life. So far, I've maintained that balance pretty easily, despite having a fringe experience. So on I press, hoping to catch a glimpse beyond the veil and remaining intensely envious of those that already have.
 
I fear the danger that lurks is within the paranormal groups themselves. In my opinion, there's no paranormal "community" and the groups seem to be very cultish in behavior. That sounds alarm bells.
 
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