David & Gene: What you thought of Timithy Good when you interviewed him?

[Gareth]

Ive read a couple of Goods books now and he seems like a pretty credible guy. He also gets lots of respect in the community. Im curious, what did you guys think after interviewing him? he made some pretty incredible claims about alien bases and encounters with non-humans on earth that pretty much went unchallenged on the show. What did you think at the time?

Out of all the 'respected' researchers in the community Good seems to be the only one telling these pretty incredible stories and taking them seriously. Im not saying that hes not being truthful or even that his stories arent true, but I find it odd that he generally goes unchallenged on some of his more 'out-there' stuff.

Im reading Unearthly Disclosure right now, and it has been a pretty interesting book. Well, up until page 140 through 224. He devoted this considerably large chunk of a 300-page book to the Filiberto Caponi story. I am of the opinion that this particular story is complete and utter horse shit, and to me reads like a pathetic d-grade interpretation of many classic UFO-related elements rolled into one. Not to mention the ridiculous pictures that for some reason many find legit:

And guess what Caponi's profession is: Artist/sculptor! I just dont get how this guy has been taken seriously at all. When it was pointed out by a researcher that he could have created this stupid looking thing Caponi said "It would not have been hard for me to have created such a model but I certainly would have made it rather more attractive". Well, case closed then.

Good made this case the focus of his book with pictures and everything. My problem is, if Good will take this case so seriously, suddenly everything else he says drops down a few credibility points.

Gene & Dave, what did you think when Good said that he communicated telepathically with a non-human in a hotel lobby?

 

[Gareth]

Shameless bump.

 

[schticknz]

Shameless bump.

I shall add my own bump to it too. I'd like to know as well since I've not read Goods books since I've not been too sure about their efficacy (if thats the word ) or his research.

Soo ... bump bump bumpity bump bump bump ... ad nauseam

 

[Gareth]

I shall add my own bump to it too. I'd like to know as well since I've not read Goods books since I've not been too sure about their efficacy (if thats the word ) or his research.

Soo ... bump bump bumpity bump bump bump ... ad nauseam

I re-listened to the Paracast episode with Tim Good from Jan 13th this year and that pretty much answered all my questions. I recommend checking it out if you havent.

While Good does make some pretty extraordinary claims, he always prefaces by saying that this is just what he experienced. He seems to have many sources, some in high places and bases his assessments of particular cases largely on information from those sources.

While I still dont agree with the Filiberto Caponi photos, I am satisfied that he is a credible researcher and author and will continue to read his books.

 

[schticknz]

While I still dont agree with the Filiberto Caponi photos, I am satisfied that he is a credible researcher and author and will continue to read his books.

I think I'll have to listen to the episode again. I don't remember thinking much of it the first time round ... still thanks for that. I may just check out his books now ... if i come across any 2nd hand ones of course .

 

[Gareth]

I think I'll have to listen to the episode again. I don't remember thinking much of it the first time round ... still thanks for that. I may just check out his books now ... if i come across any 2nd hand ones of course .

Im not sure where youre located, but I found his latest book "Need to Know" at many book shops in the UK when I was there a few months ago. I stumbled upon Unearthly Disclosure, which was interesting, but Need to Know was definitely a better book.

 

[macavity]

It's been many years since I last read one of Good's books but looking back I see a lot of parallels between his approach and output and that of Rich Dolan.

 

[Gareth]

It's been many years since I last read one of Good's books but looking back I see a lot of parallels between his approach and output and that of Rich Dolan.

Absolutely. In some ways not so much, but in others I completely agree, and was thinking just that while listening.

 

[schticknz]

Im not sure where youre located, but I found his latest book "Need to Know" at many book shops in the UK when I was there a few months ago. I stumbled upon Unearthly Disclosure, which was interesting, but Need to Know was definitely a better book.

I'm in Christchurch, New Zealand ... but I know a secondhand book shop where I got Donald Keyhoe, and a Jacques Vallee book. Might have to potter off into town in the next few days, and see if I can get myself a Tim Good book.

By the way, New Zealand is, of course, home to the completely barking mad Bruce Cathie, and his incomprehensible Harmonic World Grid thing.

Hmmm sounds like another Paracast future show guest dontchya think (ummm ... probably not but there is another universe just over there ... where he has been on several hundred times, and the world came to a grinding halt).

 

[Gareth]

I'm in Christchurch, New Zealand ... but I know a secondhand book shop where I got Donald Keyhoe, and a Jacques Vallee book. Might have to potter off into town in the next few days, and see if I can get myself a Tim Good book.

By the way, New Zealand is, of course, home to the completely barking mad Bruce Cathie, and his incomprehensible Harmonic World Grid thing.

Hmmm sounds like another Paracast future show guest dontchya think (ummm ... probably not but there is another universe just over there ... where he has been on several hundred times, and the world came to a grinding halt).

Does NZ have much UFO history? I was interested to read in Unearthly disclosure Good talks about some alien bases apparently here in Australia that I had never heard of.

 

[Kevin Daly]

Does NZ have much UFO history? I was interested to read in Unearthly disclosure Good talks about some alien bases apparently here in Australia that I had never heard of.

We've got a bit but nothing spectacular.
It's interesting that you mention bases, because I was thinking just the other day that if aliens had been setting up bases on Earth, New Zealand would have been a logical choice, since no permanent human settlements were established until the Middle Ages. On the other hand, unlike Australia it's geologically unstable. And while Australia has a very long history of human settlement, it was sparse, and even now intensive settlement favours the areas (relatively) near the coast. So I wouldn't be all that surprised to find some big surprises in the Outback...

I remember reading "Above Top Secret" years ago, and one other that I've forgotten the title of. My overall feeling is that Good has some fascinating stories to tell, and he's obviously deeply sincere, but I worry that he doesn't seem to have ever met a contactee that he didn't find credible.

 

[Gareth]

We've got a bit but nothing spectacular.
It's interesting that you mention bases, because I was thinking just the other day that if aliens had been setting up bases on Earth, New Zealand would have been a logical choice, since no permanent human settlements were established until the Middle Ages. On the other hand, unlike Australia it's geologically unstable. And while Australia has a very long history of human settlement, it was sparse, and even now intensive settlement favours the areas (relatively) near the coast. So I wouldn't be all that surprised to find some big surprises in the Outback...

I remember reading "Above Top Secret" years ago, and one other that I've forgotten the title of. My overall feeling is that Good has some fascinating stories to tell, and he's obviously deeply sincere, but I worry that he doesn't seem to have ever met a contactee that he didn't find credible.

Yeah thats what had me concerned and why I started the thread. But after re-listening to the episode Im satisfied hes an author worthy of my valuable attention

The base that is supposed to be in Aus is near PIne Gap(Australias Area 51 apparently) in the Northern Territory, and as you know its extremely isolated and in the outback.

 

[dhatz]

I just visited this thread (I generally stay away of threads like "what do you think of XYZ" for obvious reasons).

Anyway, about the Caponi case you mention in the first post:

I have spent a lot of time looking at it and I currently consider the Caponi case most likely authentic. You can read my speculations in the UFO occupants page (right-column from top to bottom)

For my work, I used the work of Tim Good who first published the Caponi case and of Gross (Webmaster of the French ufologie website) who also did a great deal of work, collecting & translating stuff.

 

[macavity]

dhatz - I didn't realise that was your site! Stumbled across it just a few days ago (and already referenced it here in another thread). Nice work.

 

[Kieran]

We've got a bit but nothing spectacular.
It's interesting that you mention bases, because I was thinking just the other day that if aliens had been setting up bases on Earth, New Zealand would have been a logical choice, since no permanent human settlements were established until the Middle Ages. On the other hand, unlike Australia it's geologically unstable. And while Australia has a very long history of human settlement, it was sparse, and even now intensive settlement favours the areas (relatively) near the coast. So I wouldn't be all that surprised to find some big surprises in the Outback...

I remember reading "Above Top Secret" years ago, and one other that I've forgotten the title of. My overall feeling is that Good has some fascinating stories to tell, and he's obviously deeply sincere, but I worry that he doesn't seem to have ever met a contactee that he didn't find credible.

Bases why do they need bases. That implies long term planning, and it suggests a agenda behind it all. Ok as far as we can tell no human has actually verified a ufo base?
So Australia could have bases? people suggest is could be possible due to vast openess of that country.Hmmm i dont believe bases exist?? The evidence suggests otherwise!! We have seen craft in our skies yes but craft leaveing from a base on our planet show me he evidence?
We sense and believe it is non human, but yet we have little facts to say that. But i believe myself it is not human based on my own encounters. The high strangeness factor, which is both frightening and makes you question yourself which i ratherly do because i consider myself strong minded. ANYWAY OF TOPIC


What i think they appear in large countries more often than others( just examples for terms of reference... Australia,france, italy mexico, Russia, Brazil, America and England and there is many more.
Ok my reasons.
They are the more important nations of our planet. If you are a explorer from another world you would visit America more often than you would Costa rica. Yes you would drop by every now and again. But the larger nations have more population, and they have greater influence in how thinks are run!!

It simple yes i am thinking as human being would. Well if i was approaching a planet as a explorer the options speak for themselves!!! Picture it yourself what would you do?

Countries with nuclear power this would interest entitys visiting i think, because it is a power source or as we humans no it could be used used by nations of the planet for war....
Entitys or beings if they are visiting us from places of unknown origin they certainly would be interested in people from the planet, because we are the essence of the planet and we have created and molded how the planet looks eg building of new york God did not build that "humans" did.

Look this are just few examples for why i think entitys interact with countries more often than others and why entitys are more interested in humans rather than a tiger which is much stronger than a human but lacks the intelligence than a human as we care to believe lol. ANYWAY I PROBABLY GONE OFF TOPIC LOL

 

[valiens]

dhatz - I'm reading your site but I don't see where you say why you believe that probable clay model is actually an alien from another planet, other than you've cross-correlated testimony regarding similar not-clay-model-actual-aliens from another planet.

Is that it or did I not find it?

 

[dhatz]

Yes, basically my position is that the Caponi story was chronologically the first (1993) and I feel that subsequent stories (e.g. Varginha) with many more independent witnesses fit the base characteristics of the Caponi photos to a remarkable degree.

I've put it all on that one web-page (the other pages deal with different aspects).

PS: Note that generally I refrain from using the term "from other planet" etc

 

[Gareth]

I honestly cant get past that ridiculous photo. Ill concede that maybe he did see something. But Im sure that whats in his photos isnt it.

(despite having some similarities to reports of creatures over the years. Dude was a painter/sculptor after all)

 

[dhatz]

AFAIK Caponi is/was a fine-painter, not a sculptor (you can find samples of his work in the link to his homepage).

The Caponi photo I personally had most difficulty with, was his #6 (20-Sep-1993), where the entity is seemingly photographed without its coveralls and looks very mis-shapen and like a wet paper-mache doll.

However, I have located several stories of people (from different countries, incl yours) who claim to have encountered entities and described them as "deformed", "ugly", "big warts" with skin "like a frog" etc. I will link to them in the occupants page in the future.

 

[dhatz]

Gareth, since you are from Australia, let me add a few more things here:

1/ Scientific paper UFO beliefs in a remote Australian Aboriginal community (also http://www.up.ac.za/dspace/bitstream/2263/3459/1/Saethre_UFOs(2007).pdf ) by Dr Eirik Saethre, anthropologist. Notice the UFO-water connection:

The aliens were considered to frequent areas in which water sources were more prevalent. During the wet season when water sources increased, so too did the number of reported UFO sightings. Once the rains began each year, Warlpiri residents cautioned Aboriginal people from other regions as well as non-Aboriginal people not to drive at night, lest they encounter a UFO. A group of Aboriginal people from Darwin chose to spend the night along the road instead of driving to the community after the sun set. In the dry season, UFOs are also seen but often in areas with permanent water sources. South of the community lies a region known for its hills, which collect water in several rock pools. The number of encounters were higher here because, as Mark (33), a Warlpiri man, commented, 'the aliens want [water]. There is a lot of [water] in [the region]'. UFOs were usually portrayed as spaceships inhabited by beings in search of water, who were interested in little else.

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2/ Do an exercise, which I've been quietly doing for the past 1.5yr: go to any UFO reporting website (NUFORC, HBCC, Ufologie etc) and find UFO reports where the witness said the UFO was "treetop level", "could have hit it with a rock" (there are 1000s of them). Copy-n-paste the location into GoogleMaps (in some places like S.America and Africa you may have to switch to Satellite view, as the Map/Terrain may be incomplete) and see if any pattern emerges.