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David, your opinion on this UFO photo? Its one of the best IMO

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Gareth

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Firstly, does anyone know where I can get the full version of this photo? I originally saw it in Tim Goods latest book and in that this photo is in colour and has more in it.

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In Goods book Need To Know, as well as the circular UFO with shadow on the ground you can also see military plane with its own shadow on the ground. The shadows line up exactly, there appears to be atmospheric density and you actually see detail in the UFO. Its a hugely compelling image IMO.

The problem is Im having trouble finding the bigger version. I only found this through an exhaustive Google Image search of "gun camera ufo images". (The caption in Goods book says its a gun camera photo).

Has anyone seen this before? Ive lent the book to a friend but as soon as I get it back Ill scan or take a digital photo of the relevant page.
 
I'll be interested to hear David's opinion as well. He has a perspective (pun intended) of imagery that I just don't posess.
I'm familiar with the photograph (not the historical detail, sorry) and I thought this was the photograph that David had referenced in past broadcasts as one of the, if not the best pieces of photographic evidence out there. I could be mistaken, maybe my mind was filling in that photograph as a referent to what he was describing. C'mon, I listen late on Sunday nights.
 
Um it could be. I know the one he spoke about last show was this one:

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Answers have you seen the full version of the photo I posted in the OP? when you see the fighter plane shadow right next to the UFO shadow its amazing how convincing it is.
 
Shadow has always looked off to me in the first one. I'd need to re read the stuff though, it's been awhile.

Trinadade series of photos, superficially looked like a double exposure. This was my knee jerk 10 yr old response. Please don't flame. However, after looking into it, I'm sad to say that those series of photos are some of the best. Why sad? No aliens waving in the picture. As hokey as the photos seem, they've actually stood the test of time. By my watch at least.

I could go into a bit more about the trinadad photos if anyone is interested. Or link to some work on them. Just let me know if you care. I haven't listened to the recent episode yet, as usual. Not sure what all was said about them. I usually listen on Thrs.
 
Theres heaps of information on the Trinidade photos out there. Id rather you linked on the first pic I posted. Have you seen the full image with the plane shadow and all the rest?
 
Gareth said:
Theres heaps of information on the Trinidade photos out there. Id rather you linked on the first pic I posted. Have you seen the full image with the plane shadow and all the rest?
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Sorry this thread seems to be going nowhere on the shadow photo, but just to add some aboutthe Trinidade ones. There is reason to believe that these photos were a hoax. I'll do some searching if you'd like, but the gist is that the photographer had published some information (an article or something) about how to hoax a UFO in photos. Can't remember now where I read this, but it was news in recent times.

Also there was apparently many witnesses to this event(on a Navy ship I believe). But if you really look at who actually SAW the thing, there was only like 2 or 3. The rest were caught up in the hubbub in apparent reaction to what was allegedly seen. UFO proponents would like to tell you that 30 or 40 were great witnesses, but none of them actually witnessed the event itself. There is more, but don't mean to derail this thread any further. Aaron could tell more as well I'm sure.

PS The photo NoAnswers is referring to is the Caniama(spelling?) region photo taken anonomously (of course) that shows a Gulf-Breeze-esque craft over some body of water. At least I think that is the one.

Haven't listened to recent show either.
 
Gareth said:
Theres heaps of information on the Trinidade photos out there. Id rather you linked on the first pic I posted. Have you seen the full image with the plane shadow and all the rest?
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I'll have to relook into the case. I wasn't aware the shadow was of a plane. Thought it was of the "ufo". That would explain why it looked off to me.

The ufo looks like a dinner plate though.
 
TClaeys said:
PS The photo NoAnswers is referring to is the Caniama(spelling?) region photo taken anonomously (of course) that shows a Gulf-Breeze-esque craft over some body of water. At least I think that is the one.

Haven't listened to recent show either.
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I think you are dead-on. Thanks for clearing it up.
 
TClaeys said:
PS The photo NoAnswers is referring to is the Caniama(spelling?) region photo taken anonomously (of course) that shows a Gulf-Breeze-esque craft over some body of water. At least I think that is the one.
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Here's a black & white version of the Canaima photo:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/Faeden/Venezuela1990.jpg

The original photo is in color and appears on the cover of Ed Walters and Bruce Maccabee's book 'UFOs ARE REAL: HERE'S THE PROOF'.
 
Aaron LeClair said:
I'll have to relook into the case. I wasn't aware the shadow was of a plane. Thought it was of the "ufo". That would explain why it looked off to me.

The ufo looks like a dinner plate though.
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Yep in the bigger version you see the shadow of a plane just in front of the UFO shadow (foreground in pic) and everything lines up. According to the caption in the book the image was studies and passed by an 'expert' (could be anyone I know).

Im certain the full image has to be on the web. I emailed Good about it a few months ago wasnt much help. He said it would be on the web. Ill keep looking.

As for Davids Canaima region photo from Venezuela...

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Really good photo.

Cosmic Ejaculator 1814 said:
The original photo is in color and appears on the cover of Ed Walters and Bruce Maccabee's book 'UFOs ARE REAL: HERE'S THE PROOF'.
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the black and white versions are better than that. I think that looks to have been colour corrected in post. That may not even be the real colours...


*****
But my shadow photo gives me slightly more of a raging hard-on right now.
 
TClaeys said:
Sorry this thread seems to be going nowhere on the shadow photo, but just to add some aboutthe Trinidade ones. There is reason to believe that these photos were a hoax. I'll do some searching if you'd like, but the gist is that the photographer had published some information (an article or something) about how to hoax a UFO in photos. Can't remember now where I read this, but it was news in recent times.

Also there was apparently many witnesses to this event(on a Navy ship I believe). But if you really look at who actually SAW the thing, there was only like 2 or 3. The rest were caught up in the hubbub in apparent reaction to what was allegedly seen. UFO proponents would like to tell you that 30 or 40 were great witnesses, but none of them actually witnessed the event itself. There is more, but don't mean to derail this thread any further. Aaron could tell more as well I'm sure.
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The argument of supposedly "missing military witnesses" for Trindade case has been raised many times, and in my mind settled by Shough and Clark,

For more on Trindade links (right column, bottom) :
UFO summary e.g. Shough on skeptics' arguments A Response to Tim Printy'

What also counted for me in accepting the case as genuine, is that the Trindade UFO's orientation is consistent with what was suggested years later e.g. in Prof. Oberth's / Hill's writings, i.e. that in disks / saturns etc the drive is perpendicular to the plane of the craft.

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dhatz said:
The argument of supposedly "missing military witnesses" for Trindade case has been raised many times, and in my mind settled by Shough and Clark,

For more on Trindade links (right column, bottom) :
UFO summary e.g. Shough on skeptics' arguments A Response to Tim Printy'

What also counted for me in accepting the case as genuine, is that the Trindade UFO's orientation is consistent with what was suggested years later e.g. in Prof. Oberth's / Hill's writings, i.e. that in disks / saturns etc the drive is perpendicular to the plane of the craft.
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Thanks for that info. I'll look through it as some of the information (skeptical of the sighting) was from Printy. As we are just throwing around information on various sightings I came by the faked UFO stuff I cited earlier. It is an article by a Brazilian researcher and historian Rodolpho Gauthier from a magazine in 1954 (4 years before the Trinidade incident).

And the faked photos were taken by Almiro Baraúna, the one that took the Trinidade photos. That leaves me a bit more than suspicious, but giving fairness to the case I'll read over the counter arguments in the link you provided. Thanks again.

The article cited below was just recently published this year. And while it doesn't prove Trinidade was a hoax, it may be another piece to the fit into the puzzle. Hmmmm. Sometimes the more you know the more confused you get. (I mean me)

http://forgetomori.com/2008/ufos/how-to-fake-ufo-photos-by-almiro-barauna/
 
The Trindade photos are the real deal, in my professional opinion. Jerry Clark's UFO encyclopedia has an extensive entry on it, and the issue of whether they might be hoaxes, and he concludes that they're genuine. I agree with him. Too long to go into all the details right this moment, but for a LOT of reasons, they register as real to me, and the back story totally holds up - witnesses, military records, everything. And remember, it's not just a single photo, but a sequence, and they're all what you'd expect to see if you were on that boat and watching the episode unfold.

Now, the photo that's the subject of this thread - it was supposedly shot by an airline pilot with Avena Airlines, in Venezuela, in 1963. I saw this image years ago, and had huge problems with it - the idea that this picture was shot from some kind of significant altitude doesn't jive with me, the angle and inclination are all wrong, plane shadows are weird orientation, and the scale looks off. If the picture was taken by a pilot, what window was it shot shot from, sans accompanying distortion? Well, sure enough, it's right there in Clark's book, and he confirms that it's a button. As in, a hoaxed image, and I concur completely. Put it six feet under, it's done.

dB
 
hahaha ahh well, thats that. Thanks David. Im happy to have this off my radar as it was all I wanted to talk about for a while as far as UFO pics go. The shadow could be anything I guess hey, like a hot air balloon.
 
Gareth said:
Yep in the bigger version you see the shadow of a plane just in front of the UFO shadow (foreground in pic) and everything lines up. According to the caption in the book the image was studies and passed by an 'expert' (could be anyone I know).

Im certain the full image has to be on the web. I emailed Good about it a few months ago wasnt much help. He said it would be on the web. Ill keep looking.

As for Davids Canaima region photo from Venezuela...

Venezuela19901.jpg


Really good photo.



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the black and white versions are better than that. I think that looks to have been colour corrected in post. That may not even be the real colours...


*****
But my shadow photo gives me slightly more of a raging hard-on right now.
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Wow, looks a lot like the Gulf Breeze ship. Seriously makes you wonder if the Gulf Breeze thing moved south?
 
Tommy Allison said:
Wow, looks a lot like the Gulf Breeze ship. Seriously makes you wonder if the Gulf Breeze thing moved south?
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After Ed Walters published his first book,he began to receive letters from people around the world,who had seen and photographed similar objects.Many of these pictures were later included in his book 'UFOs ARE REAL:HEREs THE PROOF',which he co-wrote with Dr.Bruce Maccabee.

It's quite stunning to see how widespread sightings of this type of craft has been over the years.The earliest picture in the book was shot in Jacksonville,Florida in 1976,and yet another one was taken in Carlsbad,New Mexico in 1980..and so on...

Cool book...
 
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