dead alien pic

[mike]

has this picture ever been properly debunked that anyone knows of ?

http://www.stopabductions.com/gblHelp.htm

has me wondering if foil helmets really work now..........

 

[Filer of False Complaints]

That is probably the dumbest thing i have ever seen...

 

[TClaeys]

That is probably the dumbest thing i have ever seen...

The picture or the website??

Either way, instinct just slapped me in the face and then kept beating me in the head until I closed my browser.

 

[dorkbot]

I've never actually seen any real discussion about this photo. There may have been some on ufoupdates at one point but as the archive is now accessible only on a fee basis I can't check. I'll repost what I wrote over at ufomystic.com:

Here is a slightly better copy that isn’t cropped:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/show/alienarea51.jpg

According to Ryan Wood in MAJIC Eyes Only, “This image was reported emailed to radio host Art Bell by someone named Albert Lewis who said it was found with his father’s effects after his death. There is a badge shown at the right front of the cart that reportedly showing the word ‘Majestic’.”

Perhaps unsurprisingly stopabductions.com relates the origin of the photo differently as, “The photo was found by the wife of a special operations officer in the Air Force after he died. She did not know he had it until she had permission to review his papers. The photo was obtained from another investigator.”

“There is an area 51 tag on the alien which may be hardly visible on the screen but can be seen better in the original photo.”

Interesting how the details of the two stories have already started to diverge and that nobody seems to actually have the original file. I can’t even find a copy of it on coasttocoastam.com

There are a lot of amateur collections of supposed alien photos on the net with commentary but I’ve never seen this one discussed at any length. As I’ve never seen a live alien I have nothing to compare it with but it just looks like a prop. The glass case is a nice, elaborate touch so I’m surprised that this hasn’t been clearly identified as coming from some movie.

Why do I have the feeling that if in fact there were aliens and a top secret control group, the prohibitions against posing with dead aliens for snapshots would be severe. Since it is an anonymous low-res photo unless somebody comes up to claim it I doubt it will lead anywhere. You might learn a bit more if the anonymous submitter had actually scanned the print at 600+ dpi but I'm guessing it was intentionally submitted at a resolution low enough to prevent any close examination of the contents of the photo. That's my take on it anyways.

 

[David Biedny]

I've seen this pic before, it was a prop from a film.

And the rest of the site...

MY EYES! IT BURNS! MY EYES!

dB

 

[dorkbot]

I've seen this pic before, it was a prop from a film.

Can you recall generally where you may have seen it before, any sense of how old it is, or what film it was from? I wouldn't mind doing a bit of research to locate the film just to completely put this one to bed. (pun intended)

 

[David Biedny]

Here ya go....

 

[Jose Collado]

I need one of those hats. My alien art director is sucking all the creativity out of me.

 

[mike]

Thanks for the data, i knew i was asking the right people

 

[dorkbot]

No denying the similarity but I wonder if they are in fact the same props. A bit hard to tell because of the different angle of the shot but some of the proportions look different to me. The hands look longer in the top one and the neck seems elevated as opposed to flat against the table. This may just be because the straps are positioned differently and if it is a latex model the entire body was repositioned before it was put into the case.

 

[Lavarat]

 

[Rick Deckard]

Question - how do you authentic a picture of a 'dead alien', when:

• it hasn't been established that aliens exist
• it hasn't been established that they've been anywhere near Earth
• you've never seen one in 'real life' and have no idea what they look like (excepting pictures posted by others that may or may not be fakes)

 

[DFWMike]

Looks like the silly set up at the ufo museum in Roswell.....just without the operation portion. As for the second picture, who knows, but anything can be faked....heck maybe it's one of the asgard from stargate sg1.

 

[Ron Collins]

Question - how do you authentic a picture of a 'dead alien', when:

• it hasn't been established that aliens exist
• it hasn't been established that they've been anywhere near Earth
• you've never seen one in 'real life' and have no idea what they look like (excepting pictures posted by others that may or may not be fakes)

I dont think you can "authenticate" the image. However, you can prove it false. Intuition also helps I think.

There is a book called "Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking".
http://www.amazon.com/Blink-Power-Thinking-Without/dp/0316172324

It is a fascinating book.
The opening of the book describes a museum in California that received what they thought was a several thousand year old sculpture. They called in a chemist to test the statue to see if it in deed was as old as was claimed by the paper work and the art dealer who sold it to them. Long story short, after a year of study, the scientist Okayed the piece. The museum paid handsomely for it and then decided to show it off in an exhibition to adoring professional curators and archeologists. When the piece was displayed in less than the blink of an eye almost all of the onlookers had a feeling that the statue was faked. Sure enough, after more extensive research it was found to be a modern fake.

When you immerse yourself into the study of something, I think you develop an instinctive BS meter. I think that visual BS meter carries itself over to the image realm as well. Now, a skilled artist or graphic artist can fake some pretty amazing things. But, I think it is harder to fool even the most moderately objective individual. True believers and debunkers are spectral opposites. They will either always be fooled or never be convinced.

I can only speak for myself but I enjoy reading posts where image experts tell me why a certain image is credible or not. It helps me continue to hone that meter. In another post I was told that images do not, in themselves, prove or disprove anything. At the time I am not sure I agreed. Now I most certainly do. I think they can only represent degrees of possibility.

 

[Rick Deckard]

Good points except in the case of authenticating pictures of 'dead aliens' where's your point of reference? If you've seen hundreds of ancient sculptures before then spotting 'fakes' ought to instinctive - same thing with antiques of unknown origin.

But, when we don't actually know what an alien looks like, dead or otherwise, then instinct doesn't really help.

Question - what if real aliens look like something that came out of Jim Henson's workshop and I presented of photo of one? You'd all scream 'fake!', right?

 

[dorkbot]

Question - how do you authentic a picture of a 'dead alien', when:

• it hasn't been established that aliens exist
• it hasn't been established that they've been anywhere near Earth
• you've never seen one in 'real life' and have no idea what they look like (excepting pictures posted by others that may or may not be fakes)

I'd have trouble agreeing completely with your first two points but I'd agree totally with the third.

I'd also agree completely with your point about a 'Jim Henson' alien. We are all conditioned now to expect photos of grays and somehow anything else is suspect. I'm always intrigued when somebody presents a photo of an alleged entity that does not fit the mold.

I believe this photo was first published by Ellen Crystall in the 1992 book Silent Invasion and is supposed to be of an entity in Pine Bush, NY.

I don't think many people took Crystall very seriously but you'd have to admit that the photo is different from the typical stuff we see. I'm not aware if anyone ever examined the photo in detail. I don't recall the precise details that are supposed to surround the taking of the photo so I'd have to go get the book and look it up.

Regarding the visual BS meter, I still remember when Ray Santilli's alien autopsy film was first shown. I was convinced within 10 seconds that the whole thing was a complete fake just based on the visual qualities of the photography and look of the film. At 20 seconds in I was wondering how anybody at all could be taking it seriously. I once heard that Santilli spent about $200K on the production of the film and is estimated to have eventually grossed in the neighborhood of $7M from everything related to it.

 

[Rick Deckard]

Question - how do you authentic a picture of a 'dead alien', when:

• it hasn't been established that aliens exist
• it hasn't been established that they've been anywhere near Earth
• you've never seen one in 'real life' and have no idea what they look like (excepting pictures posted by others that may or may not be fakes)

I'd have trouble agreeing completely with your first two points...

Really? You're convinced that is has been established? Well, that is news - please elaborate.

 

[Rick Deckard]

I believe this photo was first published by Ellen Crystall in the 1992 book Silent Invasion and is supposed to be of an entity in Pine Bush, NY.

Looks like an luminous condom wrapped around a stick...but hey, perhaps there are a race of ETs that look like that. Let me check the 'Star Trek' archives...

 

[dorkbot]

Really? You're convinced that is has been established? Well, that is news - please elaborate.

Please don't intentionally overlook my purposeful use of the word 'completely'.

-it hasn't been established that aliens exist

We establish things in terms of probabilities. The Drake equation provides a widely accepted scientific model for estimating the probability of E.T. It is one of the foundations of SETI, an undertaking widely accepted as hard science. I argue that when we plug in the best data we have at present, the probability of E.T. is high enough that it should be the default position. Either you agree with this or you argue that intelligent life is probably unique to Earth.

-it hasn't been established that they've been anywhere near Earth

It is my opinion that, based on the large number of credible eyewitness reports, sensor data and physical trace evidence that has been collected in the past 60 years, far more than a reasonable doubt has been raised against the assertion that 'no alien/non-human intelligence has ever been anywhere near Earth.'

It is true that we do not yet seem to have a testable hypothesis to establish that aliens have ever visited Earth but we do have observations and observation is the first step in the scientific method. We may have to wait a very long time before we have testable hypotheses, especially if we are dealing with something that is orders of magnitude more sophisticated that we are at present.

It is my opinion that attempting to apply the same standard of proof that we apply to the natural sciences is probably a mistake when dealing with a non-human intelligence that could potentially be technologically advanced in almost god-like ways. What special considerations or exceptions are reasonable to make in such a case is a subject that is up for debate in my view.

 

[dorkbot]

Question - what if real aliens look like something that came out of Jim Henson's workshop and I presented of photo of one? You'd all scream 'fake!', right?

Looks like an luminous condom wrapped around a stick...but hey, perhaps there are a race of ETs that look like that. Let me check the 'Star Trek' archives...

This is you screaming, "FAKE!"

Right?