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This is very relevant to the Ray Stanford situation; he has been beavering away supposedly doing unique work on the propulsion of some UFOs, hopefully with some pretty amazing visual evidence from which he has been working. I am one of those people who are putting their faith in the words of the few people to have seen any of this work, primarily Chris O'Brien but a few others too. I personally believe Chris to be an honest person and I do not think for one second he and Stanford are in cahoots trying to fool the UFO public. I mean, where is the upside for Chris if that was the case? He doesn't make any money or fame from speaking up for Ray Stanford - in fact, I'd say being a huge supporter of Stanford is probably sometimes causing Chris more headaches than anything else!
But I sympathise with all those people who quite understandably cannot see much difference with all the other frauds in Ufology who claim to have the smoking gun, 'but you just have to take my word for it' is what they say when you ask to see their evidence. I literally only have my own gut feeling (it's good enough for Special Agent Gibbs!) that Ray is not one of those frauds, I have nothing to prove otherwise.

But as is often said, Ray, like the rest of us, is not getting any younger and he has already suffered one heart attack I believe. Considering this man has been into UFOs since the late 1950's can you imagine that! and he was on the scene at cases such as Soccoro NM, and he had various research projects over the years, such as 'Project Starlight,' he really must have one of the top 5 UFO evidence collections in the whole world.
Of course who knows what a secret U.S Govt. UFO group might have collected over the years but out of the UFO researchers and groups that we are aware of, Ray has been collecting and documenting (to a ridiculous degree too) for decades. Who knows what wonders he might have stashed away?

I really hope Ray has made provisions so that his collections do not disappear when he is gone.

<blockquote data-quote="Goggs Mackay" data-source="post: 234668" data-attributes="member: 4654">This is very relevant to the Ray Stanford situation; he has been beavering away supposedly doing unique work on the propulsion of some UFOs, hopefully with some pretty amazing visual evidence from which he has been working. I am one of those people who are putting their faith in the words of the few people to have seen any of this work, primarily Chris O&#039;Brien but a few others too. I personally believe Chris to be an honest person and I do not think for one second he and Stanford are in cahoots trying to fool the UFO public. I mean, where is the upside for Chris if that was the case? He doesn&#039;t make any money or fame from speaking up for Ray Stanford - in fact, I&#039;d say being a huge supporter of Stanford is probably sometimes causing Chris more headaches than anything else!But I sympathise with all those people who quite understandably cannot see much difference with all the other frauds in Ufology who claim to have the smoking gun, &#039;but you just have to take my word for it&#039; is what they say when you ask to see their evidence. I literally only have my own gut feeling (it&#039;s good enough for Special Agent Gibbs!) that Ray is not one of those frauds, I have nothing to prove otherwise.But as is often said, Ray, like the rest of us, is not getting any younger and he has already suffered one heart attack I believe. Considering this man has been into UFOs since the late 1950&#039;s can you imagine that! and he was on the scene at cases such as Soccoro NM, and he had various research projects over the years, such as &#039;Project Starlight,&#039; he really must have one of the top 5 UFO evidence collections in the whole world. Of course who knows what a secret U.S Govt. UFO group might have collected over the years but out of the UFO researchers and groups that we are aware of, Ray has been collecting and documenting (to a ridiculous degree too) for decades. Who knows what wonders he might have stashed away? I really hope Ray has made provisions so that his collections do not disappear when he is gone.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Goggs Mackay, post: 234668, member: 4654"] This is very relevant to the Ray Stanford situation; he has been beavering away supposedly doing unique work on the propulsion of some UFOs, [I]hopefully [/I]with some pretty amazing visual evidence from which he has been working. I am one of those people who are putting their faith in the words of the few people to have seen any of this work, primarily Chris O'Brien but a few others too. I personally believe Chris to be an honest person and I do not think for one second he and Stanford are in cahoots trying to fool the UFO public. I mean, where is the upside for Chris if that was the case? He doesn't make any money or fame from speaking up for Ray Stanford - in fact, I'd say being a huge supporter of Stanford is probably sometimes causing Chris more headaches than anything else! But I sympathise with all those people who quite understandably cannot see much difference with all the other frauds in Ufology who claim to have the smoking gun, 'but you just have to take my word for it' is what they say when you ask to see their evidence. I literally only have my own gut feeling (it's good enough for Special Agent Gibbs!) that Ray is not one of those frauds, I have nothing to prove otherwise. But as is often said, Ray, like the rest of us, is not getting any younger and he has already suffered one heart attack I believe. Considering this man has been into UFOs since the late 1950's [I]can you imagine that! [/I]and he was on the scene at cases such as Soccoro NM, and he had various research projects over the years, such as 'Project Starlight,' he really must have one of the top 5 UFO evidence collections [I]in the whole world. [/I] Of course who knows what a secret U.S Govt. UFO group might have collected over the years but out of the UFO researchers and groups that we are aware of, Ray has been collecting and documenting (to a ridiculous degree too) for decades. Who knows what wonders he might have stashed away? I really hope Ray has made provisions so that his collections do not disappear when he is gone. [/QUOTE]

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