DISCLOSURE :place your bets

[Slim Shady]

What are the chances of there every being a disclosure of full U.S ufo files ?
Anyone care to leave your opinion? It will be welcomed .... hopefully =)?

 

[justcurious]

What are the chances of there ever being a disclosure of full U.S ufo files ?
Anyone care to leave your opinion? It will be welcomed .... hopefully =)?

My humble bet : ZERO chance unless there was a radical change of behaviour on the part of the phenomenon itself, that would force the government to change its own behaviour; (whatever hypothesis is the right one, regarding UFOs origin)

 

[stonehart]

My humble bet : ZERO chance unless there was a radical change of behaviour on the part of the phenomenon itself, that would force the government to change its own behaviour; (whatever hypothesis is the right one, regarding UFOs origin)

I have to agree .. how close to zero can you get other than zero.

Zero chance as far as I can see.

 

[Walter Bosley]

Put my vote in the ZERO column, too.

It'll be disclosed when it wants to be.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Put my vote in the ZERO column, too.

It'll be disclosed when it wants to be.

Can you tax it

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Can you set up a column less than zero?

 

[Paul Kimball]

You're assuming that there's something more to disclose.

The kind of disclosure that everyone talks about having happened in the UK etc. as of late actually happened in the US many years ago, when the Project Blue Book files were made public. You can view many of them on-line at the Blue Book Archive (I'm not sure how many are available these days - it's an ongoing project), or you can get them all on microfilm.

The point is, the US government has been as forthcoming about its UFO investigations as any other government. Indeed, I would argue that it was ahead of the curve.

Now, if by disclosure you mean disclosure of an alien presence, or something like that, then I would say zero, first because there's no solid evidence to support the assertion that the government is keeping that kind of secret, and second, if they really are keeping that kind of secret, it could only be done with the acquiesence of the aliens, which means that the "truth" wouldn't be disclosed until the aliens want it to.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

You're assuming that there's something more to disclose.

The kind of disclosure that everyone talks about having happened in the UK etc. as of late actually happened in the US many years ago, when the Project Blue Book files were made public. You can view many of them on-line at the Blue Book Archive (I'm not sure how many are available these days - it's an ongoing project), or you can get them all on microfilm.

The point is, the US government has been as forthcoming about its UFO investigations as any other government. Indeed, I would argue that it was ahead of the curve.

Now, if by disclosure you mean disclosure of an alien presence, or something like that, then I would say zero, first because there's no solid evidence to support the assertion that the government is keeping that kind of secret, and second, if they really are keeping that kind of secret, it could only be done with the acquiesence of the aliens, which means that the "truth" wouldn't be disclosed until the aliens want it to.

Well their goes my tin foil hat ,contact dvd and poster welcome we only use nuclear weapons

On serious note totally agree Paul the Governments of the World if they had the knowledges about other life forms than Earths which were intelligence they surely would not want to rock the status quo of the well to do and its institution set in concrete principles.8)

 

[trainedobserver]

There is also the school of thought that says no real disclosure will ever be forthcoming because the controlling agency behind the phenomena has long since infiltrated and placed under its influence any real threat to its exposure.

I think its more likely that the information is compartmentalized and privatized to such a degree that any real "disclosure" of anything of any practical significance is almost impossible.

 

[Paul Kimball]

The furthest I would ever go, and this is entirely speculative, is to say that the government knows that we are dealing with some higher intelligence, but don't want us to know because it would undermine the existing power structure.

For my part, I rather hope there are aliens out there, and that one day we get confirmation of that, and then really do grow up and embrace our common identity as human beings, as opposed to Americans, or Canadians, or Italians... or whatever other artificial tool for keeping us at each other's throats the powers-that-be used or have used over the years.

And yes, that means a one-world government, which is a great thing, because we are one world.

 

[Kandinsky]

The furthest I would ever go, and this is entirely speculative, is to say that the government knows that we are dealing with some higher intelligence, but don't want us to know because it would undermine the existing power structure.

I can believe that too. On the other hand, there could be something far more elaborate going on than we are able to speculate about. Who knows?

Regarding 'disclosure,' I've recently read the first few volumes of Flying Saucer Review from 1955 to 1960 and nothing much has changed. The arguments ranged from good aliens/ bad aliens/ no aliens. Then there was UFOs are real/ not real/ secret weapons. Fair enough, a lot of people already know this, but seeing it there in black and white from 50+ years ago was kinda startling. Klass' curse about UFO researchers might well be true...in our lives at least.

 

[Paul Kimball]

Klass' curse about UFO researchers might well be true...in our lives at least.

Klass gets far too much credit for his stupid "curse" in my opinion. It was a meaningless little piece of piffle designed to get him some publicity, and make fun of people in the bargain. The same thing could be said about a lot of studies - heck, you could say just about the same thing for any religion.

 

[Kandinsky]

It was a petulant and childish statement. As final words go, it's a clanger. A grown man took the time to write it out and leave it behind. At the same time, it's been more accurate than most weather forecasts...sadly.

 

[justcurious]

It was a petulant and childish statement. As final words go, it's a clanger. A grown man took the time to write it out and leave it behind. At the same time, it's been more accurate than most weather forecasts...sadly.

Hey guys, stop acting beaten, there's many truths to be found in strangeness, Klass didn't have a clue of what he was talking about. He had already lost when he uttered this cheesy crap.

 

[Kieran]

The United States Government is keeping their enemies on there toes. denying it is too easy/ just say nothing, and from what, I see this tactic has worked since Blue Book closed. In Reality they probably discovered plenty, but what they discovered would shock people and end some of the wilder myths supported by the UFO community. There is a strong chance nobody on this planet has ever recovered Alien technology. And i doubt Aliens have contacted the US government or any other government for talks (it all a pipe dream)

The US (tomo) could announce an Alien presence/ but why happens if the second party does not (show up) That would the defeat the purpose of disclosure, would it not?

 

[Walter Bosley]

"I think its more likely that the information is compartmentalized and privatized to such a degree that any real "disclosure" of anything of any practical significance is almost impossible."

Yes. Agree. During my time in AFOSI, I came to the conclusion that such information would indeed be put into the custody of private corporations because it then becomes proprietary and thus is never subject to public disclosure, providing the USG with culpable deniability on whether it's hiding such info.

 

[CapnG]

We've already gotten all the disclosure we're ever going to get.

And we also have nothing but skepticism regarding that disclosure.

See the pattern?

 

[cottonzway]

Not going to happen.

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And yes, that means a one-world government, which is a great thing, because we are one world.

Just as long as I get to vote NO on that while living in a Constitutional Republic.

 

[montreal]

I read in internet this announce: UFOWATCHDOG, ABOVETOPSECRET, & UFOCASEBOOK are 3 of the top sites utilized by intelligence to sponsor disinformation campaigns against any one or any claim with concrete physical proof to support an encounter from another world species or another dimension. dont be a fool, and dont be fooled. it seems to be real 4 me have a good day brainwashers)

 

[stonehart]

I read in internet this announce: UFOWATCHDOG, ABOVETOPSECRET, & UFOCASEBOOK are 3 of the top sites utilized by intelligence to sponsor disinformation campaigns against any one or any claim with concrete physical proof to support an encounter from another world species or another dimension. dont be a fool, and dont be fooled. it seems to be real 4 me have a good day brainwashers)

Not sure I understand what you are getting at Montreal.
are you saying we are the brainwashers?

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You're assuming that there's something more to disclose.

That has to be the best comment and right to the point thanx Paul.