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[Skymon876]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4352195/ufo-sightings-kept-under-wraps/

Robert Hastings just encountered a mainstream news anchor who said UFOs dont exsist because BlueBook concluded there was no aliens.

This reminds me of you back in the day when you were on T.V.

Watch that report and tell me how you think.

 

[pixelsmith]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4352195/ufo-sightings-kept-under-wraps/

Robert Hastings just encountered a mainstream news anchor who said UFOs dont exsist because BlueBook concluded there was no aliens.

This reminds me of you back in the day when you were on T.V.

Watch that report and tell me how you think.

I have offered to try and get the son of the man who was in charge of editing/censoring Project Blue Book on the show but no one seems interested. He has some interesting things to say. To me he seemed like a great potential guest and an important piece of the puzzle. He even has a close aerial encounter story to tell. Screw it I guess, lets get some more bigfoot guys on.

 

[Skymon876]

I have offered to try and get the son of the man who was in charge of editing/censoring Project Blue Book on the show but no one seems interested. He has some interesting things to say. To me he seemed like a great potential guest and an important piece of the puzzle. He even has a close aerial encounter story to tell. Screw it I guess, lets get some more bigfoot guys on.

I know what you mean, but Bluebook is so old I mean its ancient.

How can anyone dismiss all ufos because of Bluebook

I am not saying they are all alien

but Bluebook is a shit report in my opinion.

 

[pixelsmith]

I know what you mean, but Bluebook is so old I mean its ancient.

How can anyone dismiss all ufos because of Bluebook

I am not saying they are all alien

but Bluebook is a shit report in my opinion.

Do you have a copy? Have you seen how much is blacked out?

 

[Sean Elifritz]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4352195/ufo-sightings-kept-under-wraps/

Robert Hastings just encountered a mainstream news anchor who said UFOs dont exsist because BlueBook concluded there was no aliens.

This reminds me of you back in the day when you were on T.V.

Watch that report and tell me how you think.

What is always a source of amusement for me is the extent to which 24/7 news networks are in a hurry. They have more time on their hands than any other news format but there is absolutely no one in the medium rivaling their haste. To watch an interview on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc., is to be led to believe the world is going to end in the next 5 minutes.

 

[Kandinsky]

I know what you mean, but Bluebook is so old I mean its ancient.

How can anyone dismiss all ufos because of Bluebook

I am not saying they are all alien

but Bluebook is a shit report in my opinion.

You'll get banned!

It only closed in 68/69. I wasn't even born then but half the board were and every guest bar Mac Tonnies.

Half my album collection is from the 60s and it's good shit still. Blue Book had a crap conclusion, but the reports in there are still important.

 

[Decker]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4352195/ufo-sightings-kept-under-wraps/

Robert Hastings just encountered a mainstream news anchor who said UFOs dont exsist because BlueBook concluded there was no aliens.

This reminds me of you back in the day when you were on T.V.

Watch that report and tell me how you think.

This was, in my opinion, another example of a drive by media "non-event" where the TV asshole talking head didn't know squat about the subject, didn't seem to care one way or another about what he was told, and is too ignorant to realize he is ignorant. So, what else is new? Next .....

Decker

 

[Sean Elifritz]

This was, in my opinion, another example of a drive by media "non-event" where the TV asshole talking head didn't know squat about the subject, didn't seem to care one way or another about what he was told, and is too ignorant to realize he is ignorant. So, what else is new? Next .....

Decker

What strikes me about them is that their thinking is so black and white. It seems that a journalist's ET can exist in only one form: One that lands on the White House lawn to announce its presence to the world. Any and all other possibilities are impossible and shouldn't be considered.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

What strikes me about them is that their thinking is so black and white. It seems that a journalist's ET can exist in only one form: One that lands on the White House lawn to announce its presence to the world. Any and all other possibilities are impossible and shouldn't be considered.

However, isn't Hastings's thinking that these UFOs have to be extra terrestrials also close minded? These people saw something, but it could have been anything.

 

[Kandinsky]

What strikes me about them is that their thinking is so black and white. It seems that a journalist's ET can exist in only one form: One that lands on the White House lawn to announce its presence to the world. Any and all other possibilities are impossible and shouldn't be considered.

It's easy to forget how much of a niche subject UFOs are. Everyone's heard of them, but how many could list even 5 of the best cases? Let's make it difficult and not allow Roswell or Stephensville on the list? How many guys could list 3 good cases? 2 good cases?

A good journalist should always do some due diligence and read up on their subject. The thing is, how many really do the research? If they already know that UFOs are a load of BS...will they even make the effort? On top of that, most of these grunts doing interviews aren't even journalists. They're dumbass people with pretty faces and auto-cues. They probably have informed opinions on the greatest shampoo or SUV, but do they have any ideas that have substance? So far, I'd say very, very few have the capacity for original thought...

ETA...by 'good' and 'best' I really meant 'well-known.'

 

[Skymon876]

However, isn't Hastings's thinking that these UFOs have to be extra terrestrials also close minded? These people saw something, but it could have been anything.

Yeah I think they went overboard in the whole "I know its ET from another planet" talk. Good enough Leslie kean was just on Fox with Megan kellly saying its stilll just unkown.


But there have been so many UFO news stories in the headlines lately I have never seen it this busy. Even ABC did a story on it, and even Forbes Magazine.

Its been an active week for UFOs in the news.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

It's easy to forget how much of a niche subject UFOs are. Everyone's heard of them, but how many could list even 5 of the best cases? Let's make it difficult and not allow Roswell or Stephensville on the list? How many guys could list 3 good cases? 2 good cases?

A good journalist should always do some due diligence and read up on their subject. The thing is, how many really do the research? If they already know that UFOs are a load of BS...will they even make the effort? On top of that, most of these grunts doing interviews aren't even journalists. They're dumbass people with pretty faces and auto-cues. They probably have informed opinions on the greatest shampoo or SUV, but do they have any ideas that have substance? So far, I'd say very, very few have the capacity for original thought...

ETA...by 'good' and 'best' I really meant 'well-known.'

I can list my tops easily: Allagash, Betty and Barney Hill, Kelly Cahill, Pascagoula, 89/90 Belgium. Of course, my list is much different than it would be for other people (There are quite a few people that would never put CE3s into their top 5. But to me those are the most convincing cases when multiple witnesses are involved). As I've said before if Allagash turns out to not be the real thing I'm done with this topic entirely. Considering how long I've thought about it if I'm wrong about that one than my bullshit detector is obviously lacking, of the clearance sale at Walmart variety. And if that's the case I probably shouldn't be engaging in anything that requires independent thinking.

 

[Kandinsky]

I can list my tops easily: Allagash, Betty and Barney Hill, Kelly Cahill, Pascagoula, 89/90 Belgium. Of course, my list is much different than it would be for other people (There are quite a few people that would never put CE3s into their top 5. But to me those are the most convincing cases when multiple witnesses are involved). As I've said before if Allagash turns out to not be the real thing I'm done with this topic entirely. Considering how long I've thought about it if I'm wrong about that one than my bullshit detector is obviously defective, of the clearance sale at Walmart variety. And if that's the case I probably shouldn't be engaging in anything that requires independent thinking.

I wrote that post without thinking what my own Top 5 would be. Off the top of my head...

Colares 1977

Pascagoula

Belgium

RB-47

Lake Superior/Kinross

If you want the original tapes of the Pascagoula incident (sheriff and interviews) you can right click and download this link...http://www.archive.org/download/PascagoulaAbductionAudioFiles/PascagoulaAbduction.zip They make some interesting listening.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

I can list my tops easily: Allagash, Betty and Barney Hill, Kelly Cahill, Pascagoula, 89/90 Belgium. Of course, my list is much different than it would be for other people (There are quite a few people that would never put CE3s into their top 5. But to me those are the most convincing cases when multiple witnesses are involved). As I've said before if Allagash turns out to not be the real thing I'm done with this topic entirely. Considering how long I've thought about it if I'm wrong about that one than my bullshit detector is obviously lacking, of the clearance sale at Walmart variety. And if that's the case I probably shouldn't be engaging in anything that requires independent thinking.

The more I look into the Allagash case, the more it sounds like they concocted the story in order to make some money. I mean the guy that initially "remembered" the abduction only did so after he hit his head. He was also interested in the topic and knew of Mack's work. Obviously I can't say for sure that they're lying, but there isn't much proof beyond their word to say that they aren't. It's another one of those things, like pretty much all abduction stories, where you'll have to take their word for it if you want to believe it. For something this extreme, I just can't do that.
Hey, in the end they made some money and earned some notoriety. Good for them.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

The more I look into the Allagash case, the more it sounds like they concocted the story in order to make some money. I mean the guy that initially "remembered" the abduction only did so after he hit his head. He was also interested in the topic and knew of Mack's work. Obviously I can't say for sure that they're lying, but there isn't much proof beyond their word to say that they aren't. It's another one of those things, like pretty much all abduction stories, where you'll have to take their word for it if you want to believe it. For something this extreme, I just can't do that.
Hey, in the end they made some money and earned some notoriety. Good for them.

What money are you speaking of? Fowler wrote a book, none of them did. And most UFO books make little or no money anyway.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

What money are you speaking of? Fowler wrote a book, none of them did. And most UFO books make little or no money anyway.

Amazon.com: The Allagash Incident (9781568620206): Jack Weiner: Books

He wrote a book. They also appeared on TV, and as artists, any publicity will help you get you work sold. The incident helped them get known - was it worth it? I don't know. I didn't say they made money, but the story was worth a shot. Anyway, I can't say I know for sure if they were lying, but it's just their word.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

Amazon.com: The Allagash Incident (9781568620206): Jack Weiner: Books

He wrote a book. They also appeared on TV, and as artists, any publicity will help you get you work sold. The incident helped them get known - was it worth it? I don't know. I didn't say they made money, but the story was worth a shot. Anyway, I can't say I know for sure if they were lying, but it's just their word.

Holy shit, I didn't even know that existed. Hmm, gonna' have to try and get a hold of that. I can't imagine that it's made money because it's so obscure I never even heard of it until now. Have you read Fowler's book? The details of their independent hypnosis sessions match up almost perfectly. They've been polygraphed and all 4 passed (Yes, I don't put much stock into polygraphs but 4 people being tested regarding one incident goes further than 1 person). They witnessed the UFO years prior to the memories surfacing so if it was a lie it was one years in the making. One of them is convinced he saw a UFO but dismisses the abduction part obtained later through hypnosis because despite the high level of corroboration he finds it too fantastical to believe. I've watched these guys speak and I am absolutely convinced that they are being truthful. But hey, at least you simplified your approach to "they're liars." I like that more than the ridiculous conclusions skeptics often dream up where they layer a dozen coincidences over a dozen other coincidences. The Weiners have experienced strange occurrences throughout their lives so I believe they were the target of the incident and that the other two men were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Wait a minute, that's not a book. It's only 32 pages long. Yep, bet they made a fortune off of that. Hmm, says it's illustrated. All four of those guys had art degrees (Which also argues against the idea of a hoax for money. All of these guys were educated and had careers. Seems strange to ruin their reputations to make a buck o' five hoaxing a UFO story. Nope, they went forward with their account because they were naive enough to think it might make a difference). Probably just a collection of their art relating to the incident. Seems perfectly logical to me that artists would release a small booklet of their art. How in the heck did you even know about something so obscure and irrelevant? Did some uber-skeptic site it as proof that they are money-grubbing assholes while conveniently failing to mention that it was merely an art pamphlet?

401 Unauthorized

And here it is listed at a comic book site:

Allagash Incident (1993) comic books 1992 or later