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DOOPArts: documented-out-of-place-artifacts

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Eddy_P

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My name is Eddy Pengelly, chief researcher for the South Australian based PPHC Study Group.

Here is a new set of modern mysteries that are said to solve many old myths and ancient mysteries.

On 2nd April 2009 after a decade of study and investigation, I coined the new term DOOPArt, being an acronym for documented-out-of-place artifact.

This is where documented accounts from ancient myths, stories, and texts reveal where ancient people describe the contents of an oopart in their own words and/or depict the oopart itself - which they apparently saw and/or held in their own hands.

A DOOPArt is where the description and contents of a modern technological object have been found in very unusual or seemingly impossible contexts, such as being depicted in hieroglyphs or documented in ancient myths and legends as well as what are now known as religious texts.

But unlike the discovery of an out-of-place artifact during an archaeological dig, in these DOOPArt cases, only the documented descriptions of the oopart encounter have been discovered - and not the oopart itself.

More importantly, unlike the oopart cases which deem the ancient cultures themselves as having technology equal to or more advanced than our current level, a DOOPArt specifically describes certain mid 1995 technology, that has somehow been seen operating in the past.

Details at World Breaking Discoveries DOOPArt Evaluation Session
There is an interactive on-line 10 Texts Evaluation Session which allows you to lodge your opinion. It gives you the opportunity to check out 10 ancient texts and compare their descriptions to the content of a modern historical object.
 
I swear I've seen this stuff here before. And all I can reasonably say is ........

W h a t ????:eek::confused:

You or someone else has posted this here before right?? The Ancient Civilizations CD-Rom stuff.
 
The Ancient Civilizations CD-Rom stuff.
Yes.
The amazing discovery that modern technological objects have been seen in the past AND documented in ancient texts, thus confirming their presence in past times, has been mentioned here before.

But now, in 2009, it was realized that as ooparts are about the objects themselves turning up in archaeological digs, a new field of study is required where the documentation of those objects have been found to be depicted and described in ancient texts themselves BUT where the oopart itself has not been recovered.

An on-line Evaluation Session is available, where descriptions from 10 ancient texts are compared to the contents of The Ancient Civilizations CD-Rom.
You have the opportunity to agree or disagree with the comparisons and place your own validity score regarding these findings.

This peer review is a gathering of data, where the question is asked (and hopefully answered) 'Do ancient descriptions in fact match to the contents of the Ancients cd-rom, and therefore the need to investigate it further as a DOOPArt is warranted ?'
 
I had my doubts at first, but then you completely lost me when I got to the bit where completely bogus interpretation were being given to Egyptian hieroglyphics in order to support the CD hypothesis.
Hieroglyphics are not just picture-writing that anyone can interpret how they want: it is a complex and sophisticated system of phonetic symbols augmented by ideographic elements (much as we use dollar signs and percentage symbols). You can't just make it mean anything you want.

In short, this is bollocks.
 
Egyptina Hieroglyphs

Hieroglyphics are not just picture-writing that anyone can interpret how they want: it is a complex and sophisticated system of phonetic symbols augmented by ideographic elements (much as we use dollar signs and percentage symbols). You can't just make it mean anything you want.

What makes you believe that earlier translators 'got it right' all the time ?

They are of the same school that translated other contemporary ancient texts and deemed them to be "religious" and about 'gods, God, or Angels'.

So they possibly transferred and were influenced by their own religious beliefs and understanding when they came across Egyptian Hieroglyphs.

..."it is a complex and sophisticated system of phonetic symbols augmented by ideographic elements"...

Yes, in some cases, BUT in others, the object depicted IS the object being described.

EXAMPLE

SOURCE
 
Egyptina Hieroglyphs

oh, yes, completely forgetting about Champollion's work on the Rosetta Stone. Not only did it have the language of hieroglyphs for priests, it also had the common Egyptian script and Greek, to boot.

This says it more succinctly:


"How did Champollion decipher hieroglyphs?
Champollion could read both Greek and coptic.
He was able to figure out what the seven demotic signs in coptic were. By looking at how these signs were used in coptic he was able to work out what they stood for. Then he began tracing these demotic signs back to hieroglyphic signs. By working out what some hieroglyphs stood for, he could make educated guesses about what the other hieroglyphs stood for. "
 
Egyptina Hieroglyphs

Looking at the glyphs on the Rosetta Stone, I can not see the "disk" glyph, therefore your comments may not be relevant to my cited translations.

RE: "he could make educated guesses about what the other hieroglyphs stood for"

Yes, but what if his 'guesses' were wrong ?!
 
Let me see if I've got this straight (I realize I may not have). You are telling us that knowledgeable scholars who translated ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics with the aid of a handy Rosetta Stone that happened to list all the translations might have got it all wrong.

An alternative explanation is that these symbols stand for various pieces and operations surrounding using a modern CD-ROM. This includes not only ancient Egyptian, but the '10 commandments' tablets of Moses, the Book of Mormon as shown by Moroni (that took magic glasses to read) and that his very same CD-ROM is depicted in various ancient texts from many diffeent ancient civilizations. This CD-ROM is about ancient civilizations itself and many pictures on the CD-ROM are also in these many diverse ancient texts.

And your counter-argument to people mentioning the unlikelihood of this is simply, 'What of the scholars got it wrong?'

Is that a fair summary of the issue? I did not read through every last page of that web site, but I wonder if this is a fair summary.
 
Egyptina Hieroglyphs

Looking at the glyphs on the Rosetta Stone, I can not see the "disk" glyph, therefore your comments may not be relevant to my cited translations.

RE: "he could make educated guesses about what the other hieroglyphs stood for"

Yes, but what if his 'guesses' were wrong ?!

considering the Rosetta stone was found 1799, and Champollion studied it for many years before cracking it in 1822, I think his 'guesses' would be as good as a Master's Degree from Cambridge University, or Harvard.

also, there is such a thing as 'context', which would have been a check against blind assignation of meaning to the symbols, as well as the Greek and demotic which would also corroborate assigned meaning to the hieroglyphs.

If I understand hieroglypic writing correctly, the symbols may build upon each other to create a cartouche, alternatively, some symbols were abbreviated over the generations.

Since your argument contravenes interpretations made by scholars who have studied hieroglyphic writing for decades, I think I would consider their interpretation as more likely than yours.

Aside from that, a cd-rom, would not necessarily indicate any sort of advanced technology, but would be a very high indication of precognition.

However, if you really feel that is a cd-rom, that's your opinion. The above is mine.
 
Egyptina Hieroglyphs

Aside from that, a cd-rom, would not necessarily indicate any sort of advanced technology...
You are one of the very few people who have not perceived from the information given by Ronald Pegg (in reference to a cd-rom being described and depicted) that the Egyptians therefore 'had computer technology of their own'. They did not. As with all the other examples cited - they were visited by Time Travellers who took with them mid 1995 computer technology.

If the Egyptian example was the only one Pegg cited, then I would have to leave it there.

BUT I need to point out that, the same cd-rom descriptions are documented in over 30 other ancient texts and stories throughout history.
...this was the purpose of the OP, to review ten of those texts that have been found to describe the contents of one particular 1995 cd-rom.

For those who have not actually gone through the whole website;
In that study/evaluation, it is shown that the following ancient accounts describe pictures from a 1995 cd-rom.


  • Atlantis Legend
  • Vedic Hindu texts
  • Daniel OT
  • Middle Eastern Creation Legends
  • Old Testament Creation Account
  • Egyptian God Stories
  • Muslim Qur'an
  • Sumerian Clay Tablets
  • Ezekiel OT
  • Revelation NT
Once that on-line evaluation is completed, there are 16 more examples of ancient texts cited, then an extensive study of the Book of Ezekiel (where from 8 chapters, 198 descriptions match to cd-rom contents and pictures), then an ancient Sumerian account is evaluated.

All these show where (often) exact descriptions match to the cd-rom contents.

Thus, the evidence presented affirms Ronald Pegg's claim that 'a modern object (ie. cd-rom) and its contents has been seen and documented in ancient texts'.

Translators of Egyptian Hieroglyphs are not the only ones to have misinterpreted the meanings of some ancient accounts.

Link to the 10 Texts On-line Evaluation

...but would be a very high indication of precognition.
This has been said about the accounts by Ezekiel, Daniel, John (NT), and Nostradamus.
People currently belive that they all 'saw' the future - or an "angel" took them to the future.

They did not. They were all visited by similar Time Travellers who showed them the same cd-roms on the same mid 1995 technology. The "future visions" were what they saw from the cd-rom.

The proof for this is that, in each of their accounts (and many other ancient texts) a "messenger" (aka.angel) is documented as visiting them, who specifically told them to write down what they saw (ie. the visions) and what they were told about 'future history'.
When their accounts of those encounters are reviewed and their documented descriptions are compared to the contents of the cd-rom, there is a match of details.

Ancient texts do indeed contain descriptions of a modern cd-rom.

Link to Evidence of Time Travel website for complete details.
 
In 1995 CD-ROM technology had not really taken off. I went to the first ever Microsoft CD-ROM Confrence in Anaheim about that time (1990). Microsoft was pushing the technology. The first CD-ROMs really weren't very good. The interfaces were terrible, but many publishers crammed stuff on them in an attempt to capitalize on the market. the CD-ROM title described here s one of those, a not particularly significant CD-ROM title.

Now, we're being asked to believe that 'time travelers' took this particular CD-ROM title back in time to a number of ancient civilizations, totally different from one another, and managed to show them this title, which the ancients subsequently used and copied into their texts. Somehow these time travelers also lugged back their PCs with battery packs to get the electricty needed to run one of the computers. Amazing.

And ow we have thes etest cases which are obvilusly set up so you can agree with theis theory by saying stuff like, 'This description fits 100% this depiction on the CD-ROM.' Huh? Even if it does you're mixing up cause and effect. What does Plato's description of Atlantis have to do with a depiction on a CD-ROM? Do you honestly believe Plato wrote his account after looking at a CD-ROM?

This whole thing is absolute total bull shit and not worth anyone's time. If you are taken in by this crap, you shouldn't even participate in the Paracast forums. You don't deserve to. What an amazing horse shit pile of cards this is. You ought to be ashamed. Last Post. I'm not going to follow this crap.
 
Let me see if I've got this straight (I realize I may not have). You are telling us that knowledgeable scholars who translated ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics with the aid of a handy Rosetta Stone that happened to list all the translations might have got it all wrong.
NO.
Ronald Pegg’s work and my own studies do not mention the Rosetta Stone.

The Papyrus of Ani was not necessarily “translated…with the aid of a handy Rosetta Stone”, thus your general assumption and comment is not necessarily relevant to Pegg’s work..

Plus the Rosetta Stone does NOT “happen.. to list all the translations” - only enough to align the languages from the three given texts thereon.
And to cite your quote regarding Champollion deciphering hieroglyphs – “he could make educated guesses about what the other hieroglyphs stood for”.

So the meanings of some glyphs ARE guesses. Books about Egyptian Translations also say for many glyphs that their meaning are ‘guesses’.

Ronald Pegg found that in some cases where some had been “guessed”, they actually referred to something else other than phonetic sounds.
He eventually matched and found the cd-rom to be that “something else”.

An alternative explanation is that these symbols stand for various pieces and operations surrounding using a modern CD-ROM. This includes not only ancient Egyptian, but the '10 commandments' tablets of Moses, the Book of Mormon as shown by Moroni (that took magic glasses to read) and that his very same CD-ROM is depicted in various ancient texts from many diffeent ancient civilizations……
Is that a fair summary of the issue?
YES. Absolutely correct.
Full details (in a summary format as a purchasable E-Book) can be found HERE

This CD-ROM is about ancient civilizations itself and many pictures on the CD-ROM are also in these many diverse ancient texts.
NO. What you are inferring is too much of a generalization.

This is how I previously answered a similar question:
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One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers
of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration.
Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'.
But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence.

The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery.

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…and…
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Regarding people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...
Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts.
If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration.

If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration.

If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes……

But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ?

The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.
(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.)

The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…
The Roman section shows things Roman…
The Greece section shows things Greek…
The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…
The Carthage section shows things Carthagian…
…and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon.

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And your counter-argument to people mentioning the unlikelihood of this is simply, 'What of the scholars got it wrong?'
NO.
In many cases, such as in the translation and interpretation of so-called ‘religious texts’, the scholars have not only “got it wrong”, they have deliberately used their preconceived religious ideas in the translation rather than the original given Hebrew or Greek meanings.

These are the “same scholars” whom you rely upon to have translated Egyptian Glyphs correctly.

Ronald Pegg presented his expose on these mis-translations in his Booklet # 14 entitled BIBLE MYSTERIES CONFRONTED (specifically pp 28-29).
The link to Egyptian Hieroglyphs is that, as Moses was an Egyptian priest, his account of his encounter with the cd-rom (as documented by Ani) is documented in the Old Testament.

It is not just the case whether ‘scholars got it wrong’, in many cases where the scholar has translated an ancient text or glyph, he states himself “origin unknown’ or similar, then uses his best guess.
In these cases it is obvious to that scholar that he IS making a guess - and his best guess is based upon his own personal experiences, being ones formulated in the Religious world of the past three or four centuries.
In that era, the story of a “messenger” appearing in a bright light and showing things of the future on a magic glass mirror and giving warnings about religious wars, was taken to be “of God and his angels”.
Thus a circle with a hole/dot in the middle next to a sitting man in white was obviously the Sun God.

But the Sun, even in ancient times, did not have a hole in the middle !
When a different educated ‘guess’ was made by Ronald Pegg, such as it is a cd-rom being held by a man in white sitting at a computer, the question had to be asked PROVE IT THEN Ronald !

When the Papyrus of Ani is re-translated using the idea of a cd-rom and computer operator instead of a sun god, the story tells of a series of images plus upon what they were viewed and how they were invoked to come forward.
Then, when other Egyptian stories and glyphs were studied, it was found that the descriptions ARE of the contents of modern cd-roms.

So, the proof for “scholars” best guesses that there was a Sun God - is nil.

The proof that modern cd-roms are being described - is that their contents are (often) exactly describing picture elements by element, in ‘all the texts previously mentioned by you and I’.

Seven years of research by Pegg produced his 20 Booklets (link given earlier).

Five years of research by myself has produced published Reports.

Websites include World Breaking Discoveries and PPHC Study Group

Specific evaluations of the works of Ronald Pegg and Eddy Pengelly have their own websites,
respectively: www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/evaluatepegg and www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/evaluatepengelly

And then there are the 2008 Reports regarding
Ezekiel, Daniel, Middle Eastern Gods, Egyptian Gods, Genesis, Revelations, and CD-Rom Depictions.

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So my counter-argument to people mentioning the unlikelihood of “all this” is NOT simply, 'What if the scholars got it wrong?'

BUT pointing out that they do in fact have it somewhat incorrect some of the time, and in those cases, the stories are describing modern images and history from mid 1995 cd-roms, due to Time Travel encounters with ‘time messengers’ who were often perceived as Angels, gods, or God.
 
In 1995 CD-ROM technology had not really taken off. I went to the first ever Microsoft CD-ROM Confrence in Anaheim about that time (1990). Microsoft was pushing the technology. The first CD-ROMs really weren't very good. The interfaces were terrible, but many publishers crammed stuff on them in an attempt to capitalize on the market. the CD-ROM title described here s one of those, a not particularly significant CD-ROM title.
True.
Ronald Pegg was not that impressed with that cd-rom either.
His review & criticism can be found HERE.

Now, we're being asked to believe that 'time travelers' took this particular CD-ROM title back in time to a number of ancient civilizations, totally different from one another, and managed to show them this title, which the ancients subsequently used and copied into their texts. Somehow these time travelers also lugged back their PCs with battery packs to get the electricty needed to run one of the computers. Amazing.
Yes. That’s right. Yes it is.
The computer transport box utilized is described in the Old Testament by Moses.


And ow we have thes etest cases which are obvilusly set up so you can agree with theis theory by saying stuff like, 'This description fits 100% this depiction on the CD-ROM.'
No. They are not ‘set up’.
Ancient Texts are quoted word for word : CD-Rom pictures are shown.
“Do the descriptions match the pictures shown ?” is the question asked.
There is nothing tricky in any of this.
If the description in the ancient text honestly does not match an element from the cd-rom picture, then you click NO.
If they do, then click YES.
If unsure (due to the evidence in front of you, and NOT from your own bias or preconceived ideas), then click MAYBE.


What does Plato's description of Atlantis have to do with a depiction on a CD-ROM?
This is exactly the whole point. It should not - but it does !



Do you honestly believe Plato wrote his account after looking at a CD-ROM?
My beliefs do not come into it.
The EVIDENCE speaks for itself. Yes he did. His Athens commentary is about the GREEK section on the CD-Rom.
E-Book entitled Visions of Atlantis
or
Website entitled Source of the Atlantis Legend.


This whole thing is absolute total bull shit and not worth anyone's time. If you are taken in by this crap, you shouldn't even participate in the Paracast forums. You don't deserve to. What an amazing horse shit pile of cards this is. You ought to be ashamed. Last Post. I'm not going to follow this crap.
I am sorry to see that when your belief systems are challenged, instead of facing that challenge head on, you resort to name calling and putting down the given theory.

Btw. You have not read “the whole thing” so your conclusion and comments are premature and not logical.

All the best,
Regards
Eddy Pengelly
 
You have obviously spent a lot of time on this theory, and the link to the Old Testament does not exactly say what you state it does.
The fellow who makes all these deductions is, in my opinion, really reaching.
Someone else could come along and do this, not with a cd-rom, but perhaps a ferrari, and with enough time, they could make it work. the disk with the hole would be the steering wheel, and the center post where it attaches would mean it wasn't exactly a hole, etc.

I am not a real fan of 'everybody else thinks that way, so it must be true', but in this case, at the very least for crying out loud! what on earth makes anyone think a 386 would have anything to do with successful time travel!

In a few years, somebody else is going to come up with some other theory, and there will be lots of people who are intrigued by it, enough so to spend 5 years or more looking into it.

why not spend that 5 years doing something else? that type of dedication would probably come to a superlative education, perhaps the Great American Novel? an opera, a movie script? anything other than bury oneself in a hole of conjecture and grasping for something that is so far away as to be behind them.

however, if it works for you, then that is fine, too. but this place is full of skeptics who demand more of its posters than hypothesis and conjecture of the highly improbable variety.

by the by, as an entertaining idea, it is entertaining. but not very likely.
 
...The fellow who makes all these deductions is, in my opinion, really reaching...I am not a real fan of 'everybody else thinks that way, so it must be true', but in this case, at the very least for crying out loud! what on earth makes anyone think a 386 would have anything to do with successful time travel!...why not spend that 5 years doing something else? ..... anything other than bury oneself in a hole of conjecture and grasping for something that is so far away as to be behind them...by the by, as an entertaining idea, it is entertaining. but not very likely.
Yes, as you say, at first glance, it is really out there.

Why I continued with the studies (for example) is that from 8 chapters from the Book of Ezekiel, 198 elements of pictures and its contents from the Ancients cd-rom match to Ezekiel's descriptions in 104 verses.

Now that is NOT just coincidences nor wishful thinking !

Ezekiel study link.

The same can be said for the Egyptian Studies.

And also the Atlantis Evaluation.

.....however, if it works for you, then that is fine, too. but this place is full of skeptics who demand more of its posters than hypothesis and conjecture of the highly improbable variety.

Then read ALL the available information !
I have not only stated the theory, I have posted links to the associated information.
 
Eddy,

I've looked at those links.

I would say that this is hysterically funny, but I realize that you're not joking.

There is NOTHING in those links that supports your theory, this is simply ridiculous bullshit. And with that, I herebye close this thread. You need to get out more, get a girlfriend, get laid, anything but dive more deeply into this delusional nonsense.

Have a nice day, thanks for stopping by.

dB
 
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