Dumbfounded over Jaime Massaun

[Creepy Green Light]

I just saw some photo's of the MUFON symposium that was held last month and saw Jaime up at a podium giving a lecture/speech or what have you. I am really perplexed and vexed as to how he has the sheer audacity (balls) to show his face after the Roswell Slides debacle? Was he born without the gene that causes embarrassment or shame? How does this happen? Also, how is he not mocked & ridiculed to the point where he would gather his belongings and leave? People at the symposium just welcome him with open arms and pretend the Slides debacle never happened?

Unbelievable.

 

[Ron Away]

I just saw some photo's of the MUFON symposium that was held last month and saw Jaime up at a podium giving a lecture/speech or what have you. I am really perplexed and vexed as to how he has the sheer audacity (balls) to show his face after the Roswell Slides debacle? Was he born without the gene that causes embarrassment or shame? How does this happen? Also, how is he not mocked & ridiculed to the point where he would gather his belongings and leave? People at the symposium just welcome him with open arms and pretend the Slides debacle never happened?

Unbelievable.

Another reason why the subject is ridiculed and not taken seriously by the mainstream media.

 

[Creepy Green Light]

Another reason why the subject is ridiculed and not taken seriously by the mainstream media.

Exactly. And I am always amazed when I see the advertisements for these symposiums, conventions, etc. that list all the speakers. 99% of them are valid. But then they'll sprinkle in people like Greer and Romanek which to me just invalidated the entire convention. I'm not sure what the compulsion is to make sure known frauds take part in these lectures/conventions etc.

 

[DaveM]

I just saw some photo's of the MUFON symposium that was held last month and saw Jaime up at a podium giving a lecture/speech or what have you. I am really perplexed and vexed as to how he has the sheer audacity (balls) to show his face after the Roswell Slides debacle? Was he born without the gene that causes embarrassment or shame? How does this happen? Also, how is he not mocked & ridiculed to the point where he would gather his belongings and leave? People at the symposium just welcome him with open arms and pretend the Slides debacle never happened?

Unbelievable.

They love him in Mexico. And shame? $$$$

 

[Creepy Green Light]

They love him in Mexico. And shame? $$$$

I know and you are correct. But I am still baffled by this. I think if it were myself that I'd crawl under a rock, reappear in about 20 years and then cross my fingers that nobody remembered me or the Roswell slides fiasco. But then again, I was born with the gene that makes you embarrassed & ashamed

 

[DaveM]

I know and you are correct. But I am still baffled by this. I think if it were myself that I'd crawl under a rock, reappear in about 20 years and then cross my fingers that nobody remembered me or the Roswell slides fiasco. But then again, I was born with the gene that makes you embarrassed & ashamed

You might liken the ufology crackpots as moths and ufo field as the lightbulb. Try as you might you can't get those moths to quit buzzing the lit bulb. (Unless you squish them, of course.)

 

[Mr. Fibuli]

Another reason why the subject is ridiculed and not taken seriously by the mainstream media.

I think the mainstream media is so warped and corrupted by the corporate interests that own them and set their agendas, that acceptance by then is irrelevant.
The 'news' is only good for gross events like a flooding or loose elephant. They won't report oil spills or nuclear catastrophes. I doubt a nebulous subject like UFO/UAP stuff will be part of the program.
As it is, the paranormal field is pretty dodgy, but I prefer to look at future development of the subject as unwritten. Optimism and pessimism are both illogical.
As far as having frauds and nuts in the field..you can accept it or rip your hair out. That's it. They're in every stripe of life.

 

[Mr. Fibuli]

That Massaun is one grimy son of a jackal, though.

 

[Ron Away]

I think the mainstream media is so warped and corrupted by the corporate interests that own them and set their agendas, that acceptance by then is irrelevant.
The 'news' is only good for gross events like a flooding or loose elephant. They won't report oil spills or nuclear catastrophes. I doubt a nebulous subject like UFO/UAP stuff will be part of the program.
As it is, the paranormal field is pretty dodgy, but I prefer to look at future development of the subject as unwritten. Optimism and pessimism are both illogical.
As far as having frauds and nuts in the field..you can accept it or rip your hair out. That's it. They're in every stripe of life.

True but as an example,friends of mine who have no interest in the paranormal saw the farce of the Roswell money (I mean Roswell mummy) on social media.Thus their view that most people involved in the field are crooks,cranks or crazies was really and truly validated.Opinion carries a lot of weight and people like Standing and Massaun damage the image and reinforce negative opinions.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

I just saw some photo's of the MUFON symposium that was held last month and saw Jaime up at a podium giving a lecture/speech or what have you. I am really perplexed and vexed as to how he has the sheer audacity (balls) to show his face after the Roswell Slides debacle? Was he born without the gene that causes embarrassment or shame? How does this happen? Also, how is he not mocked & ridiculed to the point where he would gather his belongings and leave? People at the symposium just welcome him with open arms and pretend the Slides debacle never happened?

Unbelievable.

I suppose it is the same thing when 'preachers' like Harold Camping predict the end of the world, more than once, and are proven wrong. For some reason that is probably unknowable to the rest of us, supporters and followers of these people don't seem to hold grudges, in fact they seem just to be waiting to be told another new pile of shit, happily sitting there with open mouths making gagging noises which translate to, 'please shovel some more crap into me, I love it.'

The Roswell slides weren't Jaimme's first foray into outright crap - he had that little monkey thing he tried to pass off as an alien. There will have been more too no doubt.

Thing that bothers me is that Jaimme has a massive audience, a weekly TV show and a genuine interest in UFOs. He shouldn't need to get involved with fakes and hoaxes because there is more than enough credible stuff to look at.
I don't think he is a bad person, I don't think he is anywhere near like Steven Greer but it is impossible to escape the fact he just seems to like being a showman with the next great freakshow event for the public to gawk at.

Bottom line is, I don't think Jaimme is even close to the worst person in Ufology, I have much better candidates personally but he is also a person no-one should go near if they want any truth in this field. He has gone from a brilliant Mexican campaigning journalist with a fascination for UFOs and the strange, and he's turned himself into a sideshow freak, like the ones he likes to show off.

 

[stonehart]

I suppose it is the same thing when 'preachers' like Harold Camping predict the end of the world, more than once, and are proven wrong. For some reason that is probably unknowable to the rest of us, supporters and followers of these people don't seem to hold grudges, in fact they seem just to be waiting to be told another new pile of shit, happily sitting there with open mouths making gagging noises which translate to, 'please shovel some more crap into me, I love it.'

The Roswell slides weren't Jaimme's first foray into outright crap - he had that little monkey thing he tried to pass off as an alien. There will have been more too no doubt.

Thing that bothers me is that Jaimme has a massive audience, a weekly TV show and a genuine interest in UFOs. He shouldn't need to get involved with fakes and hoaxes because there is more than enough credible stuff to look at.
I don't think he is a bad person, I don't think he is anywhere near like Steven Greer but it is impossible to escape the fact he just seems to like being a showman with the next great freakshow event for the public to gawk at.

Bottom line is, I don't think Jaimme is even close to the worst person in Ufology, I have much better candidates personally but he is also a person no-one should go near if they want any truth in this field. He has gone from a brilliant Mexican campaigning journalist with a fascination for UFOs and the strange, and he's turned himself into a sideshow freak, like the ones he likes to show off.

About sums it up.

 

[DaveM]

Sometimes I think the problem with Ufology isn't with the Maussans, Greers etc. It is with the 'I Want To Believers.' As long as that group exists there will always be someone willing to shill the UFO product.

 

[Randall]

Sometimes I think the problem with Ufology isn't with the Maussans, Greers etc. It is with the 'I Want To Believers.' As long as that group exists there will always be someone willing to shill the UFO product.

There's more than one way to look at that situation. There are genuine ufologists who recognize the cultural facets of ufology, including the fiction, frauds, and the more colorful characters, and find a sort of detached objective value in them on a cultural and historical level. I like to think of myself as in that group, and that, therefore, although I'm a "want to believer", I've got things in perspective.

Then there are the people who become swept-up in ufology culture before they've done their homework, and consequently get taken for a ride. But those people are also OK because they innocently find it all so fascinating, and although they might jump to some poorly substantiated conclusions and fall prey to scammers, they're more the victims than the perpetrators. So with those type of "I Want To Believers", blaming them would be a type of "blame the victim" mentality that wouldn't be entirely fair.

Then there are the perpetrators of frauds and hoaxes who knowingly exploit people's fascination for their own personal gain. They're no different that any other "snake in suit" type. They're not innocent and may or may not even be "true believers", and I think it's perfectly fair to call them out and have them explain, if not held accountable, for their behavior.

 

[Goggs Mackay]

I sure am glad Stony is back in the house....there are people in the forum whose absence I definitely feel.

And as for Randall's last post I agree strongly. There are many casualties in Ufology who are probably very misguided but innocently so - not everyone is even capable of researching past a MUFON talk and weighing up evidence in their own mind. Some people are followers and want to be led, want to be told what the score is etc and that's fine. The are unlikely to negatively affect the field apart from when their large numbers dictate who is 'in' or 'out' of favour or what is currently believed or not.

I too am only angry at the deliberate frauds, those who coldly study the weaknesses of people and decide how to exploit them financially by seeming to cater to a perceived need. For me, it is difficult to grudgingly award 'praise' to someone's abilities when I consider them negative, but for example, Steven Greer is a master manipulator and proven expert in peddling crap to people who wish to buy into it. Greer moves with the times and if he needs to radically change his game to keep up with the desires of the UFO public, he does - and deftly finds a way to monetise it. He is a damn expert with no equal!

 

[DaveM]

You have to consider that Greer gave up a life as an emergency room doctor in order to take up lecturing and writing in the UFO field. There must be a way to make money chasing UFOs, don't you think?

 

[TheBitterOne]

For me, it is difficult to grudgingly award 'praise' to someone's abilities when I consider them negative, but for example, Steven Greer is a master manipulator and proven expert in peddling crap to people who wish to buy into it.

He is a rare example of someone who provokes a visceral reaction of negativity, revulsion and danger in me the moment I encounter his name or his presence - like when Chewie instantly growls at Vader when the door slides open in Empire Strikes Back or a cat hisses and puffs up its tail at a natural predator.

The fact he looks like an oversized, steroid-soaked reptilian overlord possibly contributes to this effect.

 

[DaveM]

He is a rare example of someone who provokes a visceral reaction of negativity, revulsion and danger in me the moment I encounter his name or his presence - like when Chewie instantly growls at Vader when the door slides open in Empire Strikes Back or a cat hisses and puffs up its tail at a natural predator.

The fact he looks like an oversized, steroid-soaked reptilian overlord possibly contributes to this effect.

Perhaps he is a Reptilian come to Earth...

 

[TheBitterOne]

Perhaps he is a Reptilian come to Earth...

Perhaps.

It wouldn't surprise me, to be honest.

I bet when we die there's going to be a lot of 'D'oh! Of course! It was sooo obvious but I was too timid to admit it to myself!' moments in our life reviews.