Enough Ignorance, Thankyou.

[Goody]

Dear fellow explorers,

Exuse the formality regarding my introduction to this topic; I was compelled to begin that way due to an astonishing discovery (more like an epiphany, or a kick in the face) I just made regarding Unknown Country & in general, Dreamland.

Now if you're looking for hard-solid data regarding the UFO phenomenon & quite bluntly 'metaphysics' then you inevitably & obviously must make the following equation: (Where 'A' = Whitley, 'B' = The Drones, 'C' = A serious lack of common sense in the face of the fact that the program '&' the website prides itself on being exlusive & 'up-to-date' with it's findings, 'D' = A percentage of 'cult' followers eager to bring anything weird & make a huge issue out of it & 'E' = Being oblivious to the technological age) A + B + C + D + E = The ability to pounce on the very ordinary with ridiculous assumptions 'AND' the innability to differentiate between some real 'far out stuff', and some fucking cell phone interference on the show.

Pardon the language but this is tangible proof that Dreamland has become utterly boring, and that the host (Whitley, or 'A') should seriously consider taking a break...This is coming from a DEVOTED supporter of Whitley.

I am disappointed Mr. Strieber, reading the website makes me seem foolish.

http://vista.streamguys.com/strieber/strangesound.wma

Goody.

(The title is: Strange Sound, from the June 5th '2009' Episode of Dreamland, & yes '2009'.... irrefutable proof he needs to clear his head)

 

[mike]

i agree, i enjoyed comunion, specifically his technical descriptions of the "aliens". if this was really happening then its detail is of interest to me.

but over the years he seems to have become unhinged, you have to pay to join his meditation group now using crop circles as mandala's or the like.
thats nuts, if he really is onto a way for humans to communicate with these buggers, then charging a fee is an obvious red flag to me

some of his statements too just put me off,
"We need to embrace the negative energy that the dark side presents us with, and we have a very effective way of doing that, by transforming it into entertainment. This enables us to engage the energy without allowing it to freeze us with fear, which is what it wants to do. "

yeah........ and right about the same time as hes signing "movie" contracts .

ive also seen him on the teev since reading comunion, and i dont know.... there was something not right, i wouldnt buy a used car from someone with his body language

 

[Grokl]

some of his statements too just put me off,
"We need to embrace the negative energy that the dark side presents us with, and we have a very effective way of doing that, by transforming it into entertainment. This enables us to engage the energy without allowing it to freeze us with fear, which is what it wants to do. "

Oh dear oh dear.... signing movie deals too?
wow... call it -

The Emperor strikes back.

 

[Ally]

Mike,
I had the same type of reaction to Strieber watching him on TV. It was years ago and I think that Roger Leir was on the same show. Maybe he was just having a bad day or something. I don't listen to his show and haven't read one of his books in a really long time. I did like communion.

 

[icculus]

Oh Whitley ...

What a whack job.

I put him in the same basket as Dr. Greer. Some forum members have speculated that his behavior is due to his "abduction experiences" and exposure to "high strangeness". I think it's a crutch. Plain and simple. He latches onto the latest paranormal craze and weaves it into his fiction.

I loved Communion as much as the next guy (or gal), but in light of his actions over the past decade, I think the more reasonable explanation is that he is paranormal leech, or rather an insane, batshit-eating vampire bat.

It's time to take down this bullshit, err... batshit. I would love to see the Paracast put Linda M. Howe and Whitley on the hotseat. These paranormal-pay-per-views do an enormous disservice to actually uncovering some truths.

At the very least please, oh please, just expose the horror that is Linda Molten Howe.

 

[ArizonaWill]

Whitley Strieber just needs to go to a gym, and develop a body-to-die-for like Steve Greer. For me, bulging biceps always add an element of truth to whatever someone is saying. Actually and ironically, I just decided yesterday to download Whitley's Journals because I think they'd make fascinating reading over the years. He has them available from around 1999. It is sort of fun: One month the aliens are demons, the next month they are our creators, another month and we should meditate to bring them into our bedrooms, and then again he says that he has no idea what they want. Then he gets mildly rational and decides that some aliens are good and some are bad, just like humans. And I know there are humans who enjoy sticking things up a man's rectum, but I'd prefer to stay away from such folk. Now Whitley believes in DRONES and has seen one himself, while wandering from parallel world to parallel world (which coincidentally just happens to fit the theme of his book 2012). Now, if you don't take any of this seriously, but just see Whitley as pure entertainment and a psychological study in progress, it can be fun. But no, I won't pay for the honor. I just take what is free from his website. A guy who is making movie deals all the time has no validity in crying poverty all the time and claiming the website is about to crash unless more people pay, pay, pay.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Whitley made a lot of movie deals? What are some other than Communion?

I never read communion, saw the movie. Bleh. I read Transformation, Breakthrough, Secret School, and maybe one other. Since Secret School, he seems to have bit the woowoo bullet. Maybe Fart Smell's and LMH's greed rubbed off on him? Or mixed in with his own greed, whatever degree it was.

 

[Tommy Allison]

When people get old, they want to latch on to any kind of new age belief that they can, in order to feel good about where it is they're going after they die.

I see a lot of these new age losers parading their new flavor of the month ideas touting them as being the truth all the time. Whitley, and oh so many other geriatric losers in this field all wanna believe that they hold the corner market on the truth about aliens, God, whatever snake oil they're selling.

The only real truth, is that there is no truth in what someone sells you. If someone is telling you, that you have to pay to be a part of something, then it's a scam. Whitley, like so many other frauds in this business, has never been abducted by aliens, nor would know one if they saw one. I would wager that if aliens did land in Whitley's backyard, he'd drop over from a heart attack, in fear for his retarded life.

I have nothing but contempt for him, and the majority of folks in this field, for the simple fact that they're all peddling a belief system, a lie, and nothing that bears any resemblance to science, or truth.

 

[jritzmann]

Whitley, like so many other frauds in this business, has never been abducted by aliens, nor would know one if they saw one.

Well, thats a bit much really.

While I agree he's seriously fallen off the straight and narrow in the past 10 years, the man wrote initially about aspects of the experience no one else had, and few have since. Those were the very aspects that caused many to call him a nut right from the get-go. However those of us actually in that experience knew exactly what he was talking about, and that there wasn't any other way to know or describe it, unless you'd had it.

So, couple that with other phenomena that he's written about (9 knocks, shared experiences with guests at the house, etc) and I cannot find reason to dismiss those initial accounts he wrote about. I tend to think he's had the experience, and had the balls to put it on paper. He had a pretty damned good career going, and there was little reason to leap into this shit.

But, I do agree in many ways he's fallen away from credibility and joined the hands of LMH and Bell (the Hale Bopp thing still pisses me off) and has become more of a "pay to play" guy. I don't know why, when he had such an ability to describe the experience so well, that he'd tarnish himself with others that had no critical thinking skills, or are simply media whores. Maybe it's just a case of not knowing where to go with it, and grabbing at anything...and the ones he reached for were those with the most bullshit to throw out.

Personally it hurts me. I have respect for the first or second book...and I see where he's taken it. As Jeremy just sent me an interview he did with MPR, I still think he has interesting things to say at times, but you really have to watch the horse shit, and we shouldn't have to.

I wish I knew what was up with him besides the obvious of his associations and involvement in some nonsense.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Personally it hurts me. I have respect for the first or second book...and I see where he's taken it. As Jeremy just sent me an interview he did with MPR, I still think he has interesting things to say at times, but you really have to watch the horse shit, and we shouldn't have to.

I liked Breakthrough and Transformation. I also liked a lot of interviews I've seen/heard and read by him.

Sorry, what's MPR stand for?

 

[Goody]

I love Whitley's work, even the Grays wasn't too bad.

My opinion is that the Unknown Country crew are jumping ontop of some very obviously-un-mysterious incidents & claiming they're anything but. Just makes everyone look stupid.

Goody.

 

[Goody]

I mean....Heh, here is where it get's RI-DI-CU-LOUS.

Around 5 months ago (don't hold me to it, however the date is not important as i'm sure you'll find this article in the news archive section on Unknowncountry) I decided to jump onto the site as occasionally there are some interesting reports, but this made me laugh, the headline read something like: 'It turns out that apparently smoking cigarettes in your own car can be harmful to your children'.

Nuff' said.

Goody.

 

[icculus]

Well said Jeff.

Although my previous posts don't reflect it, his 1st and 2nd books were mind blowing, and I'm at a loss to figure out what's going on with his website.

Guess that's why I'm sorta miffed by all the stuff going down on his site. The drones, general paranoia, and LMH... she just really set me off. I've had a couple emails back and forth with Linda. I'm a graphic designer as well, and was trying to point out some of the many issues with the drones, chad docs etc. She got real, real nasty with me.

 

[jritzmann]

I've had a couple emails back and forth with Linda. I'm a graphic designer as well, and was trying to point out some of the many issues with the drones, chad docs etc. She got real, real nasty with me.

Thats not surprising, you're talking about a story she made money off of by driving people to her site and enticing sign ups. I find these websites and individuals hysterical who charge for the information, and expect to be taken seriously in regard to any significant story. It's such a joke I cant fathom that anyone wouldn't see the conflict of interest between money and the subject being reported.

Lets face it: one cant make people sign up with just regular info they can get anywhere for free...it's got to be the sensationalist bullshit so you can con people in.

Do people ever wake up and just stop listening??? Obviously not. And the UFO enigma is again sold like a commodity.

 

[ArizonaWill]

For me, Whitley jumped the shark with THE SECRET SCHOOL where he claimed that he viewed the Face on Mars as a child. Since it seems reasonably assured that there is no Face on Mars, I was quite disappointed that Whitley threw his support to this Hoagland obsession. Actually, Whitley did say in one recent interview that he regretted writing THE SECRET SCHOOL. I can imagine that he does, since there are other declarations he made there (getting on the popular paranormal bandwagon of that time) that have NOT stood the test of time.

But then he jumped with an even bigger shark when he brought William Henry on as a co-host for DREAMLAND. William Henry can shove his blue apples where the sun don't shine (unless you sunbath on your tummy in the nude). The guy is a New Age purveyor of nonsense, one of those "book a month" type of guys. Then Whitley added a psychic (uh huh) as another co-host. Of course, LMH screeching about deformed frogs and mutilated black cats lost my interest long ago, but Whitley is attached to LMH at the waist.

So I just don't get it. He has admitted that "the visitors" no longer come around. They've moved on and perhaps closed his file. So what's the guy to do? He could write really good horror fiction again, but doesn't seem capable of that. Instead, he keeps living off the old war stories of how he got an alien implant, and the strange little character who lived in the woods behind his New York cabin, etc. The man is getting repetitive and dull, like an old WW2 hero who wears his medals on his teeshirt to go to Walmart, hoping to impress the other shoppers.

I record his appearances, since in the fullness of time it is interesting to see where he is taking his own saga.

Perhaps the biggest recent shark that just jumped over my house is that he claims the power to create crop circles with his paying subscribers via meditation techniques taught to him by aliens. That's getting into the entire New Age Space Brother schtick, and perhaps that is Whitley's future.

Perhaps like old Country Western music stars who retire to Branson, Missouri, old UFO celebrities retire to exo-politics, mind melds with aliens while meditating in the john, and crop circles. Perhaps he will start hosting boat cruises, or bus tours of haunted castles in England. I can see him leading a group to Stone Henge, and ending up writing a book about his invisible encounters there.

THIS IS A WARNING TO JEFF RITZMANN. Stay with us, man. We need you to keep both feet on the earth, get your income in the mainstream, and never invest your financial future or identity in being a ufo celebrity. Or around 2034 you may be sitting in the middle of crop circles in a wizard's cloak chanting ancient Celtic, while your podcast co-hosts include Paola Harris and James Van Praagh.

 

[ArizonaWill]

Whitley made a lot of movie deals? What are some other than Communion?

I never read communion, saw the movie. Bleh. I read Transformation, Breakthrough, Secret School, and maybe one other. Since Secret School, he seems to have bit the woowoo bullet. Maybe Fart Smell's and LMH's greed rubbed off on him? Or mixed in with his own greed, whatever degree it was.

Whitley's books that were made into movies, which certainly should have reimbursed him quite well. In some or all cases, he wrote the movie screenplay based on the book. Whitley has also worked on screenplays for other movies not based directly on his books.

THE WOLFEN 1981
THE HUNGER 1983
DAY AFTER TOMORROW 2004 (a major hit)
THE GRAYS 2008
2012 (Due out in 2010)

 

[Brian Now]

http://vista.streamguys.com/strieber/strangesound.wma

I've never had any interest in Strieber. I have heard him on C2C and I have read a few things about him, none of it did anything but hurt his credibility.

But this sound clip, oh dear Lord. Please tell me that this was from a very old recording. Please tell me he never thought it might be aliens.

You would have to be very young or very old not to recognize those beeps as a cellphone interfering with a landline or computer speakers or something.

 

[Goody]

Thankyou Brian for actually commenting on my post, I dont think anyone else checked it out otherwise they'd have acted exactly the way you did. 'My god, how bloody stupid can you be!?'.

So thankyou very much for commenting, and to everyone else; please check it out as it proves a very valid point to my theory: 'Strieber has lost it'.

Goody.

 

[Tommy Allison]

The people who believe Whitley Streiber, have a mental defect.

Seriously, the guy is nuts, and his followers are just as nuts.

I do not believe anything he says. I will NEVER believe a word he says.

 

[jritzmann]

THIS IS A WARNING TO JEFF RITZMANN. Stay with us, man. We need you to keep both feet on the earth, get your income in the mainstream, and never invest your financial future or identity in being a ufo celebrity. Or around 2034 you may be sitting in the middle of crop circles in a wizard's cloak chanting ancient Celtic, while your podcast co-hosts include Paola Harris and James Van Praagh.

If this is a joke, ok, if not, don't insult me by ever suggesting such shit again. All I said was that his first couple of books related things that one couldn't know unless they'd had the experience. Whats happened since then, I don't know. I don't pay much mind anymore to be honest about it.

Where the fuck ya get the idea that I'm going to go off and make money from this is a little absurd. I've been here 20 years in the trench and never have, and don't plan to ever start.

I'm sorry but I am EXTREMELY touchy about this sort of suggestion. I have a lot more self-respect and respect for this subject then to whore it out, or myself.

But, don't expect me not to speak my mind because it may not agree with your preconceived notions or sensibilities. I'm highly critical of my own stuff, and I'm even more so with others.

Again, I apologize for the tone, and I realize your ultimate concern. But, it's completely unwarranted...I'd have gone insane long before now.