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[My apologies if this has been discussed before.]

But where do THEY come from...broadly speaking? (Consider it a poll.) What do you think?

Are they "alien" (from somewhere, including another dimension, other than Earth)? OR -- are they from our own future?

(Of course, some would argue that time is truly linear. You can indeed go ahead in time, but you can never go back. What's done is done. It only plods onward. Any thoughts?)
 
I've been just listening the latest episode of Paracast, and at one point Gene mentioned that it's "all of the above or none of the above"

I think this is the closest to the truth. I think our reality is far more integrated that we normally perceive. To us everything has labels and categories. Either it's aliens or angels or a third option etc.
What if it's all that at the same time. I think these questions are meaningless when applied to them. We like to ask questions like: is it technology, or magic , or something done naturally....
I think the line between these things are nonexistent. Technology seems to us like something unnatural, but consider Beavers, they build things, is that nature or technology? It's nature. But when we do the same it's not nature anymore in the minds of people.
I think we are not mature enough as a species to understand that there is no line between spirituality, magic, mind, body , technology etc.
It's all different expressions of the same energy that flows from the same source, and the further you are from that Source, the more things look separate to your eyes

In reality, it all seems to blend. People see aliens in NDE experiences, people go to ships during NDE experiences and have tours of different planets. People get abducted in OBE state. People report aliens using technology to affect their spirit, or measur etheir auras or whatever. It's all interconnected. To us it's this life and some fairytales about afterlife, but to them it's all one reality it seems.
 
I think we're talking about a number of phenomena, some of which are related and some of which are not.
Some of these whatever they are may as everyone has been saying been coming here since ancient times, while some may have passed through our solar system a few decade ago, carried out a survey and done a little tourism, and carried on.
Some may be supernatural/paranormal entities (I'm thinking creatures of Faerie for instance...it's easy by the way for a modern reader to read the story of Oisín for instance and think "time dilation" but unfortunately I think there's a more prosaic explanation for that one).
One doesn't preclude the others (let's not forget that a couple of hundred years ago what we now call meteorites were Fortean phenomena...so a categorisation of Strange Things In/From The Sky is likely to include some things that we will one day regard as normal (even if they're aliens), but may include others that will blow our tiny minds).

As for the not-strictly ET possibilities (which don't preclude ETs, as I said): I'm increasingly drawn to the idea that as others have said, our expectations shape the phenomenon...which doesn't mean it's all in our heads. Remember that line from Labyrinth: "Everything I've done I've done for you".

I wonder if we drive them crazy with the ever more outlandish rules we create for their reality...
 
hi kevin when you speak of the story of Oisin are you referring to the Irish legend of oisin who came from Ireland or something else entirely?
 
Again, I say, "Those who know don't say, and those who say don't know".

It's beyond our ken at this point to say that we know where they're coming from.

I think we should leave it at "UFO occupants" and be done with it.

Anybody that says they know where they come from is lying.

And, I'll go back to Karla Turner's, "Abductees report alien-controlled information". If their lips are moving, they're lying (okay, if they're talking to you telepathically, they're lying).

First they said they were from the moon, Venus, Saturn, Jupiter. Then as our knowledge of the universe increased, they were from further out, Andromeda, the Pleiades, Zeta Reticulum.

Then, Jacques Vallée thought he had a handle on the non ETH, and they were extradimensional/ultraterrestrial. Way back in between the airships and the first contactees, they were Deros, from deep inside the Hollow Earth.

Maybe they're Black Devil Gods from Beyond Some Corporate Sin Galaxy*, who will pick up the SubGenii in the pleasure saucers of the sex goddesses, and rescue them from a firey hell on Earth while the Pink Boys fry... Who knows?
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There's your search string--Cardinal Sin
 
I can't remember a single case when they ever said they come from Venus or Pleiades, or Zeta Reticulum.
These are human claims, not theirs

That being said, I wouldn't throw out the idea that there is life on Venus. While it may be to hostile there for physical beings, perhaps in some other dimension Earth is frozen and Venus is just right, or if you are spirit being, maybe it doesn't bother you at all. There could be even some consciousness living inside the Sun. Perhaps some form of consciousness requires such large amounts of energy
 
I have no idea where they are from. Maybe Dan Burischs' little pal J-Rod is an illegal alien called Jose Rodriguez or something..
 
showflake said:
I can't remember a single case when they ever said they come from Venus or Pleiades, or Zeta Reticulum.
These are human claims, not theirs

That being said, I wouldn't throw out the idea that there is life on Venus. While it may be to hostile there for physical beings, perhaps in some other dimension Earth is frozen and Venus is just right, or if you are spirit being, maybe it doesn't bother you at all. There could be even some consciousness living inside the Sun. Perhaps some form of consciousness requires such large amounts of energy
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(Typo) I wondered about that... I thought "Showflake" was kind of cool...

Um... the early contactees used to get "Venus, the Moon, Saturn" and stuff quite a bit. After the Barney and Betty Hill case became popular, some abductees reported the aliens saying that they came from there--but in the spirit of Karla Turner's touchstone phrase, they were lying.

It may have been in answer, "Are you from Zeta Reticulum?" "Yes".

I don't remember--It could have been--Kathie Jordan? It's been a long time since I read any of those books.
 
Jeez...I hate to say this, because it sounds like bullshit. I've twice seen what would seem to the average observer to be aliens. These days I am leaning toward the idea that the experience may have been induced by endogenous DMT. Long story short...the little hooded guys claimed to be from Saturn. The giant praying mantis claimed to be from Earth. I was told that I was the Alien. I'm glad I know better than to believe everything my brain tells me.
 
No that's just the thing....they didn't say anything, they showed the map, and then later someone (years later) "figured out" it's Zeta Reticulum. But I don't really think there is any way to be sure.

And as for early stuff, like Adamski, well I don't really count those cases to be in any way related to UFO phenomenon, maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't bother with them.
Same as Meier stuff, I don't count his case to be related to UFO subject either, it's just silly. Take those "saucer sounds" for example, you can download a demo of virtual ARP2600 and make the same kind of sounds in a few minutes. And then there are the hoaxed photos.

I'm not trying to say that none of them come from Venus or Pleiades (which is not a place but a direction in the sky), or Mars, or Moon , or Sun, or Jupiter whatever.
In fact I suspect there are some on Venus, Moon and Mars, having perhaps underground cities in other dimensions.
I'm just saying that a lot of the "contactee" cases that mention these places as origin of aliens, are just not in my mind a part of the UFO problem, they might be tied to problems of human psyche, but I don't think any aliens are involved in these cases.
 
skunkape said:
Jeez...I hate to say this, because it sounds like bullshit. I've twice seen what would seem to the average observer to be aliens. These days I am leaning toward the idea that the experience may have been induced by endogenous DMT. Long story short...the little hooded guys claimed to be from Saturn. The giant praying mantis claimed to be from Earth. I was told that I was the Alien. I'm glad I know better than to believe everything my brain tells me.
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You are not the only one who has been tolled that "we are aliens" . It's a common theme, this claim that , we are them. It is also quite common to hear a claim that they come from underground. Saturn, I don't know, never heard about that.

Plus, I think DMT is a substance which actually opens ones eyes to see a larger bandwidth of reality, perhaps filtered a bit through our expectations, but very real.
I think your experiences could be quite real.
 
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