Expanding on Michio Kaku's galactic hierarchy: ET intent

[Ezechiel]

I've adopted his framework. It makes the most sense (until its debunked )

A type 3 civilization has colonized the galaxy itself, extracting energy from hundreds of billions of stars.

Ok, so you've made it ! you're the top dog in the galaxy. You have an almost absolute grasp of the physical rules that govern the universe... and this is universal year 8 billion after the initial big bang (we are at about 14).

Being a type 3, you have a firm grasp of the mechanics of life and the genetics that enabled your status. Its been mapped for a very long time and as you fought off and possibly destroyed competing genetically incompatible type 2 civilizations to gain your ultimate status, your construct becomes prime.

Now what do you do with emerging civilizations in your galaxy... surely you want to stay top dog ? You've been fighting off competition for the last 3 billion years lol. Now maybe you want to establish standards based on your carbon-based construct.... to facilitate communications, control potential competition and firmly establish your dominion.

The main assumption here is that there is only one type 3 civilization per galaxy.

We need a breeding program

With potentially millions of life bearing planets around a galactic core, you may want to trickle down the tedious job to compatible type 2 civilizations (solar) that have competent inter-stellar travel capabilities in exchange of enabling technologies.

To sum this up... we are being molded into the image of the winning type 3 galactic civilization through an elaborate genetic manipulation program. The physical form may be different (planetary parameters), but the necessary infrastructure needed for contact and communication will be in place when the time comes (perhaps our transition from type 1 to type 2... within the type 3 framework)

Many of the Genesis accounts fit in this scheme (scenario)... And best of all it addresses the alien abduction weirdness and the stealthy UFO phenomenon.

Maybe the egyptian pyramid is simply a physical representation of the top-down approach I'm describing. Most perspectives I've seen from skeptics are always bottom-up. Understanding that we are at the bottom of the pyramid and not at the top is crucial.

What is really fascinating is ... what will happen when the Andromeda galaxy comes crashing into ours LOL.

 

[Keiko]

To sum this up... we are being molded into the image of the winning type 3 galactic civilization through an elaborate genetic manipulation program. The physical form may be different (planetary parameters), but the necessary infrastructure needed for contact and communication will be in place when the time comes (perhaps our transition from type 1 to type 2... within the type 3 framework)

Many of the Genesis accounts fit in this scheme (scenario)... And best of all it addresses the alien abduction weirdness and the stealthy UFO phenomenon.

What is really fascinating is ... what will happen when the Andromeda galaxy comes crashing into ours LOL.

Mindblowing and interesting at the same time!

Regarding the Andromeda question - I think only David Serada can answer that for us now

 

[dyingsun]

I've adopted his framework. It makes the most sense (until its debunked )



Ok, so you've made it ! you're the top dog in the galaxy. You have an almost absolute grasp of the physical rules that govern the universe... and this is universal year 8 billion after the initial big bang (we are at about 14).

Being a type 3, you have a firm grasp of the mechanics of life and the genetics that enabled your status. Its been mapped for a very long time and as you fought off and possibly destroyed competing genetically incompatible type 2 civilizations to gain your ultimate status, your construct becomes prime.

Now what do you do with emerging civilizations in your galaxy... surely you want to stay top dog ? You've been fighting off competition for the last 3 billion years lol. Now maybe you want to establish standards based on your carbon-based construct.... to facilitate communications, control potential competition and firmly establish your dominion.

The main assumption here is that there is only one type 3 civilization per galaxy.

We need a breeding program

With potentially millions of life bearing planets around a galactic core, you may want to trickle down the tedious job to compatible type 2 civilizations (solar) that have competent inter-stellar travel capabilities in exchange of enabling technologies.

To sum this up... we are being molded into the image of the winning type 3 galactic civilization through an elaborate genetic manipulation program. The physical form may be different (planetary parameters), but the necessary infrastructure needed for contact and communication will be in place when the time comes (perhaps our transition from type 1 to type 2... within the type 3 framework)

Many of the Genesis accounts fit in this scheme (scenario)... And best of all it addresses the alien abduction weirdness and the stealthy UFO phenomenon.

Maybe the egyptian pyramid is simply a physical representation of the top-down approach I'm describing. Most perspectives I've seen from skeptics are always bottom-up. Understanding that we are at the bottom of the pyramid and not at the top is crucial.

What is really fascinating is ... what will happen when the Andromeda galaxy comes crashing into ours LOL.

Really interesting thoughts, my source of frustration is that we'll most probably never know.

 

[Kandinsky]

Michio Kaku's speculations have been elevated to almost fact by many people interested in UFOs and possible ETH. Type 0 civilisation and so forth is discussed as reality in UFO and ET forums. Does anyone notice the irony? He's a theoretical physicist that considers ET...so his thoughts are taken seriously. Scientists and even physicists that don't entertain UFOs or ET are dismissed as representing the 'status quo' or being stuck in a 'paradigm.' Why is that?

Like everyone else, I find his ideas reasonable and possible...he's a sharp mind. He's definitely generated ideas in my mind. Still, it seems that people overlook or forget that his ideas are only ideas. His thoughts are no better or plausible than the great Sci-fi writers or other futurist scientists. He's speculating and has no more knowledge of ET than the rest of us.

 

[dyingsun]

Michio Kaku's speculations have been elevated to almost fact by many people interested in UFOs and possible ETH. Type 0 civilisation and so forth is discussed as reality in UFO and ET forums. Does anyone notice the irony? He's a theoretical physicist that considers ET...so his thoughts are taken seriously. Scientists and even physicists that don't entertain UFOs or ET are dismissed as representing the 'status quo' or being stuck in a 'paradigm.' Why is that?

Like everyone else, I find his ideas reasonable and possible...he's a sharp mind. He's definitely generated ideas in my mind. Still, it seems that people overlook or forget that his ideas are only ideas. His thoughts are no better or plausible than the great Sci-fi writers or other futurist scientists. He's speculating and has no more knowledge of ET than the rest of us.

Will we ever know..I doubt it myself, but who knows.

 

[Ezechiel]

Still, it seems that people overlook or forget that his ideas are only ideas. His thoughts are no better or plausible than the great Sci-fi writers or other futurist scientists. He's speculating and has no more knowledge of ET than the rest of us.

He's proposing a model for the evolution of sentient life. I think its good science.

The idea is to test his hypothesis and either prove or disprove it.

If its a bag of crap... then there's alot of wasted space out there.

 

[Kandinsky]

He's proposing a model for the evolution of sentient life. I think its good science.

The idea is to test his hypothesis and either prove or disprove it.

If its a bag of crap... then there's alot of wasted space out there.

You've missed my point or my point missed you. Kaku should be afforded respect...he deserves it. At the same time, he is speculating. I've read too many UFO forum monkeys latching on to Kaku and treating his ideas as some confirmation or disclosure that ET is out there and stratified into Type # civilisations.

 

[Kieran]

You've missed my point or my point missed you. Kaku should be afforded respect...he deserves it. At the same time, he is speculating. I've read too many UFO forum monkeys latching on to Kaku and treating his ideas as some confirmation or disclosure that ET is out there and stratified into Type # civilisations.

Michio kaku well there not actually his theories or his own ideas. This ideas were first proposed by a Russian Astronomer in 1964. His name was Nikolai Kardashev.

 

[Paul Kimball]

You've missed my point or my point missed you. Kaku should be afforded respect...he deserves it. At the same time, he is speculating. I've read too many UFO forum monkeys latching on to Kaku and treating his ideas as some confirmation or disclosure that ET is out there and stratified into Type # civilisations.

I had the chance to see Dr. Kaku speak in London last year, and to ask him about what he has referred to as a "galactic conversation" that could be going on all around us, but which we are not nearly advanced enough to understand. From what I've read and heard, I don't think he even remotely accepts the old "flying saucers" gospel peddled for decades by the die-hard ETHers. Kaku is more nuanced than that, and more scientific. He speculates, yes, but it is grounded, intelligent speculation, and well worth listening to. His model of civilizations has nothing to do with other life-forms, per se, although it can certainly be applied, theoretically, to other possible civilizations. Primarily, however, I think he was writing about our own civilization, and how he sees us developing... assuming we survive as a species.

 

[Ezechiel]

You've missed my point or my point missed you. Kaku should be afforded respect...he deserves it. At the same time, he is speculating. I've read too many UFO forum monkeys latching on to Kaku and treating his ideas as some confirmation or disclosure that ET is out there and stratified into Type # civilisations.

Good point. And I understood where you were going the first time.

But these are strong ideas that I'd use as a starting point. Unfortunately these ideas also fill a void and always have the potential of creating 'fast-food' religions without making the effort of pushing further in a normal scientific progression.

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I had the chance to see Dr. Kaku speak in London last year, and to ask him about what he has referred to as a "galactic conversation" that could be going on all around us, but which we are not nearly advanced enough to understand. From what I've read and heard, I don't think he even remotely accepts the old "flying saucers" gospel peddled for decades by the die-hard ETHers. Kaku is more nuanced than that, and more scientific. He speculates, yes, but it is grounded, intelligent speculation, and well worth listening to. His model of civilizations has nothing to do with other life-forms, per se, although it can certainly be applied, theoretically, to other possible civilizations. Primarily, however, I think he was writing about our own civilization, and how he sees us developing... assuming we survive as a species.

He has no choice, the human model is the only point of reference.

However, we are at a point 14 billion years after the initial big bang (IMHO, pretty late in the cosmic game) and the oldest star in our own galaxy is about 13.2 billion years which is almost as old as the universe itself. The hydrogen molecular cloud that formed our star only collapsed about 4.5 billion years ago

Its a fair assesment (until debunked lol) that any race to be the dominant type 3 civilization in this specific galaxy has been over for quite a while (here's where the Star Wars music kicks in) and that other dynamics are at play at this point in time.

Michio Kaku emphasizes that when we look at the ET issue its important not to be human centric. In other words, what humans can't do now was probably done by someone else a few billion years ago.

My expansion on the Kaku hierarchy added some theatrics that he's never addressed lol. The relationship between the dominant type 3 and subserviant type 2's which kicks in once a new type 0 civlization is detected by his expanding robotic army replicating and migrating to the edges of the galaxy .

Its a great framework.... I love it !

 

[Kandinsky]

Good point. And I understood where you were going the first time.

Cool because I thought I'd somehow lost my ability to communicate clearly! Each response seemed to misunderstand my point...I guess it was just talking across purposes. I wasn't criticising Kaku, just the UFO folks that hear a physicist mention ET intelligence and regard him as an iconic spokesman for their 'cause.'

Take it easy

 

[Ezechiel]

Cool because I thought I'd somehow lost my ability to communicate clearly! Each response seemed to misunderstand my point...I guess it was just talking across purposes. I wasn't criticising Kaku, just the UFO folks that hear a physicist mention ET intelligence and regard him as an iconic spokesman for their 'cause.'

Take it easy

Please don't tell the Enki guy about Kaku We'll all end up in Ankarius !!!

Damn that's alot of K's ROFL !!!

Oh man... and I'm telling this to Kandinsky .... you can call me Ezekiel from now on LOL

https://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/6721-Channeling-Enki?p=87844#post87844

Beware of the wrath of the Enki (if you don't send them cash lol)