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Finally, Tonight...Jesus

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skunkape

Paranormal Maven
God save us all.

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Oh yes I heard you brother,


Mark

another voice of reason raised.
I hear you to brother.

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stonehart said:
another voice of reason raised.
I hear you to brother.

This is a topic I do tend to avoid getting involved in now days but with a degree in philosophy and religion on top of my engineering it can be hard to stay out of it.

This I think helps to place my stand point on the topic and a good reason as far as religion is concerned I am an atheist.


Really some days I wounder if humanity has the collective brains and will to make it past the next 50 years.
 
People who are idiots, will be idiots no matter what they believe. It doesn't take religion to bring them out of the woodwork.

as for the Jesus images, well, if there were no religious icons to use, these people might be seeing UFOs and ascribing them to ETs or big hairy creatures and saying they are proof Sasquatch exists.

idiots don't need religion to be homophobic/anti -Muslim -Democrat, -Liberal -female (insert just about anything here).
 
People who practice "separatist religions" are often the ones who unfortunately grab the headlines. And we all know that there have been more than a few ill-principled individuals who have risen to positions of power in their religions, all in an effort to gain control and wealth (often grossly deluding others -- and themselves -- in the process). Perhaps mankind has gotten 'God' all wrong.

I am currently reading Amit Goswami's God is Not Dead: What Quantum Physics tells us about Our Origins and How we Should Live. Goswami believes what we call 'God' is in fact quantum consciousness, of which we are all part, which is what is fundamental to reality (cf., materialism). Interestingly, his views are not far off of those of some noted physicists like John Wheeler, and are also in line with Thomas Campbell, a nuclear physicist who helped establish the Monroe Institute. Quite ironically, these scientists may ultimately be the ones who help salvage man's concept of 'God', rather than the traditional religious practitioners.
 
Thank you, skunkape. Thank you for once again giving me a reason to be embarrassed as a Christian.

LOL!

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No that maybe but it sure as heck helps.

Um....I'm not any of those things.
 
Um....I'm not any of those things.

No not all are and I have a lot of religious friends.

*sigh* It is like all things, all it takes are a one or two stupid people to sour the whole thing.
I do not tar all with the same brush but over my years of study it has become apparent to me that religion is a good... hmm lets say excuse for a lot of stupid things and leave it at that.

Peace

Stone
 
No not all are and I have a lot of religious friends.

*sigh* It is like all things, all it takes are a one or two stupid people to sour the whole thing.
I do not tar all with the same brush but over my years of study it has become apparent to me that religion is a good... hmm lets say excuse for a lot of stupid things and leave it at that.

Peace

Stone

Yeah, and I'd be the first to admit that MOST evil actions (hurtful, painful actions, including death, initiated by intentional thought and design) have been brought about on the grounds and justification of religion and the belief in one's God. I'm more than half-serious when I say that sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a Christian. The whole, "If you don't think and believe like I do, than you deserve to die" mentality is one of the most disgusting concepts prevalent in religions these days. It literally makes me sick.
 
I'm an Atheist. In my day to day life I talk to people about tolerance for opposing viewpoints and I seek to further the tolerance levels of others. But for some reason I see, even in myself, a general lack of tolerance for religious beliefs in general. I don't quite understand why. Given my religious fundamentalist background, I think it has to do with the exclusionary views which I was taught by my parents, my greater family and the church we attended.

Watching that first video reminded me of all those people in the UFO world that see "geometry" in random pixellation of pictures of the planet Mars. People see what they want to see. People tend to find evidence, no matter how trivial, that will support their belief.

Listening to the second video, the video blogger just seems to be fed up with the current state of everything-I can't say I blame him.

The last video really mirrors my own beliefs...but the snippets of video really captured the true mind of Fundamentalist Humanity, I think. It's the "I'm right. You're wrong. And since I can't change your mind, I'll make you pay."

There's really a great deal more for me to say on this subject, but I'm not feeling up to it at the moment.
 
This is a topic I do tend to avoid getting involved in now days but with a degree in philosophy and religion on top of my engineering it can be hard to stay out of it.

... I am an atheist.


Really some days I wounder if humanity has the collective brains and will to make it past the next 50 years.

Ah yes ... if we could all just be as smart as you are ... and I think I actually feel smarter after watching that scholarly video! You should email the link to your philosophy and religion professors. It might be really helpful in teaching their first year students.

And WOW, that's one hell of a reality tunnel you and Mr. FSA have constructed!!!! You've sold me! Thanks for making it so easy to put "religion" into a box small enough for me to slap a label on it, put it on the shelf, and instantly raise my IQ!!!

And thanks especially for helping me by boiling the religion of my upbringing down into the two things it has really been all about for the past 2,000 years: the worst aspects of a military campaign that happened about 7 centuries ago, and barrier contraception [spoken with a refined British accent]. Well ... that's easy!!!!!! :)

As Mr. FSA said, Hitler and Stalin are mere "trivialities". So, let's all have deep, profound, grownup thoughts, then. Are you brave enough to gaze upon the face of the true nontrivial enemy, the visage of pure religious evil as it so cleverly uses homeless shelters, orphanages, hospices, clean beds, warm food, lots of phony smiles and hugs and kisses, and kind and caring words to fool people into giving up their "barrier contraception" [again, the accent], leaving in its wake disease, poverty, and death!!!!!

Yes indeed ... how will we make it past the next 50 years? Just LOOK at what religion and belief in a God makes people do!!! Outrageous!!!! We'd better do something about these crazy people before it's too late!!!!

I'VE GOT IT!!!! Let's just take one corner of the world to get a start in, then we'll branch out from there ... YOU should go to Calcutta and tend to society's throwaways the RIGHT way! The atheist way!!!! And maybe we'd better send Christopher Hitchens to help you out, at least until you get settled in--after he's done sleeping it off, that is. He'll need a clear head, because it looks like a pretty big job. (See, I told you I felt smarter ;))

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[And before you jump on me, remember, the Skunkape started this. It's HIS fault!]
 
Imaginary friends are for children.

All religions are fairy-tales manufactured by humans to control/supress other humans.

No arguments can be made against this because we have never known a world without religion. Yet.
 
All religions are fairy-tales manufactured by humans to control/supress other humans.

Dont think that's true.

Almost certainly the worlds earliest religions developed as a way to cope with a strange, unpredictable, and dangerous natural environment as well as provide answers and comfort to instinctive questions the human mind inevitably asks - "Who am I?" "Why am I here?" "What is the nature of this world?" "What happens after I die?" Any 6 year old asks these questions with no intention of " control/supress[ing]" other people.

The tone of your post leads me to believe that you are think of yourself as a "grown-up" and not a child because you are an atheist. Is that how you see it? If so, do you think that you are therefore more mature and intelligent than anyone else who believes in " fairy-tales manufactured by humans to control/supress other humans?"
 
Almost certainly the worlds earliest religions developed as a way to cope with a strange, unpredictable, and dangerous natural environment as well as provide answers and comfort to instinctive questions the human mind inevitably asks - "Who am I?" "Why am I here?" "What is the nature of this world?" "What happens after I die?" Any 6 year old asks these questions with no intention of " control/supress[ing]" other people.

How is any of that religious? For a religion to be a religion it must be complex, having not only rituals but also a distinct dogma, code of behaviour, holy relic/totem, sacred writings (in cultures where literature exists), a seperate priest class with a distinct form of dress, etc, etc. What you're describing is basic, primitive superstition. Certainly that is the foundation of religion but it is not religion per se.

For the record I'm a deist (albeit a slightly agnostic one). I have no problem accepting the idea of an all-powerful creative intelligenece in the universe. I DO have a problem with other humans making up ridiculous stories about how they and they ALONE have spoken to this uber-being and we should all follow THEM, do what they do, eat what they eat, wear what they wear, etc because "GOD" told them to. Escpescially when there's dozens of other humans each saying the same thing.

They can't all be right, therefore they all must be wrong.
 
I was Baptised a Roman Catholic, But never felt comfortable during the times I did go to mass and Pray. I don't think I was alone in feeling those kind of feelings. Some of mates would say often; when we did go to mass; "Hope this Mass isn't Long"

It was bit of laugh really as I remember, we be laughing and joking. There has been a seismic shift recently last year or so here In Ireland. The Catholic Church Influence is floundering under the pressure of recent exposures of Child abuse. What has been revealed is, a minority of priests not a low number. During the sixties and seventies and even before that.

Had abused young boys some of those Boys were Orphans. Some where abused in state funded schools run by the Roman Catholic Church. Some of those Young boys were also abused by certain priests/ some were named in court, they had their own Church within locations around Ireland. Terrible mess for the Catholic Church and terrible ordeal for the victims who had to retell their stories.

I detest the Catholic Church for a number of reasons. Its wrongs far out do the goods things it has done.
But their is Good priests and Good Nuns that have done tremendous work. They have gave up their lives to help the poor and sick. Let is be honest. Would these poor and sick People have been left to rot or not feed. Of course not; They're is charitable people out there. But without the extra help. There Work would be so much harder. I think a homeless man or woman who has the terrible burden of living on the streets. Would hate to see a Priest or Nun lose their Faith and stop helping him. I think A homeless person has a right to be selfish in his view considering their circumstances.

Been a Catholic; The Bible and the testaments Doesn't make any sense for me personally. It doesn't explain God in a sufficient manner. I Don't think God created us in his own image. That is egotistical. There could be civilisations with different histories to or own. Who reside on planets out there in the universe. Whose inhabitants could look remarkable similar to us.

I think we are here are we not. I think everyone would agree.

Just because we aren't aware of another life outside our planet those not mean it Doesn't exist. The UFO phenomenon is telling me their is plenty of intelligent life out there beyond us. We don't have a clear understanding to the history of why Those Intelligences interact with us.But it clearly shows; if God if such a thing exists. Created other life and we are not alone.

If no such thing as God exists. Still is fascinating. Imagine having the change to learn something. For example; just to find out about the history of entirely different race than your own. That is a chance nobody would turn down unless your insane.
 
Imaginary friends are for children.

All religions are fairy-tales manufactured by humans to control/supress other humans.

No arguments can be made against this because we have never known a world without religion. Yet.

I have almost-zero tolerance for religion. I do feel sorry for the kids that are indoctrinated into a religion by their parents - I equate that behaviour with a form of abuse.

I used to think I was an atheist, but in recent times I've realised that atheism is also a belief system. Agnostic doesn't quite fit either. I suppose that because religion is so insignificant to me, that I don't care enough about it to choose a stance for myself.
 
How is any of that religious? For a religion to be a religion it must be complex, having not only rituals but also a distinct dogma, code of behaviour, holy relic/totem, sacred writings (in cultures where literature exists), a seperate priest class with a distinct form of dress, etc, etc. What you're describing is basic, primitive superstition. Certainly that is the foundation of religion but it is not religion per se.

For the record I'm a deist (albeit a slightly agnostic one). I have no problem accepting the idea of an all-powerful creative intelligenece in the universe. I DO have a problem with other humans making up ridiculous stories about how they and they ALONE have spoken to this uber-being and we should all follow THEM, do what they do, eat what they eat, wear what they wear, etc because "GOD" told them to. Escpescially when there's dozens of other humans each saying the same thing.

They can't all be right, therefore they all must be wrong.

Well there is a continuum between the simplest of superstitions and full blown modern religions. Once you explain the phases of the moon or lightening etc via a specific supernatural being with specific powers and familial lineage then you are in religion territory IMO. I'm betting that primitive man had developed such ideas well before specific power structures and convoluted dogmas and texts developed. The differences between where religion and superstition exactly overlaps is rather ill-defined I'd say. No one can say for sure how and why the first humans to codify those beliefs did so and under what circumstances it occurred because that was before writing was invented.

To me the statement you addressed of why religions exist as simply a means to control people is only a part of the full answer.
 
To me the statement you addressed of why religions exist as simply a means to control people is only a part of the full answer.

Yes indeed but it's a very LARGE part.

To me the path isn't a range but a series of overlapping ranges. You have superstitions which are undefined, general beliefs in unseen intelligent forces (consisting mainly of or similar to personification/anthropomorphism), then you move on to belief systems which are organized and continuous supernatural ideas supported by ritual (solstace rites, etc) and finally you arrive at bona fide religions with codified dogmas and specific places of worship that are constructed solely for that purpose.

Also sky-cake:

 
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