FOIA confirms Roswell debris link to Nitinol research

[Darkly Brooding]

Although the initial report of this was back in May, it's nice to now have the FOIA confirming it.
The only thing missing is Battelle's "First Progress Report", which probably contained primary info on the origins of the metal being studied, and imo has probably long since been destroyed in the interest of plausible deniability.

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0809/crash-debris.php

The closest thing to a paper trail I've ever seen.

 

[Gareth]

Doesnt really "confirm" anything.

Dont get me wrong, its an interesting paper trail and it warrants further investigation, but there is no an iota of proof.

And the way Bragalia ended his article is just ridiculous IMO:

Battelle's historic involvement in applying our science to understanding extraterrestrial science is no longer hidden. The truth is now revealed. Battelle Memorial Institute analyzed the materials of construction of a crashed craft from another world.

And he wonders why people call him out in the comments. All he has is a potential connection, with no concrete evidence or proof -- so to say "Batelle analyzed materials from a crashed craft from another world" is just stupid.

 

[Darkly Brooding]

Doesn't really "confirm" anything.

It confirms there was a paper trail running through Battelle, that developed a titanium based metal that we hadn't even conceived of before then, and one that had very little practical use, and is mysteriously missing it's initial progress report,...seemingly without explanation.

All he has is a potential connection, with no concrete evidence or proof -- so to say "Batelle analyzed materials from a crashed craft from another world" is just stupid.

Which is alot more than Phillip Corso could claim,....yet there are plenty who believe his stories,..
imo you can file both in the same category, as you will never find that proof you're looking for,...it's been destroyed in the interest of plausible deniability,...

 

[Gareth]

Who said anything about Corso?

 

[The Hawk]

I'd like to see proof that it's a real FOIA. I agree with the topic creator if it's a real document this is a pretty heavy Roswell link.

The fact that a guy says he handled alien debris and worked on such a project, nobody can find proof he ever worked at the lab he claimed to work at, then a FOIA reveals he did work at the lab and was involved in a project with advanced alloys that was ultra classified for many years and the report is going out to THE Wright Patterson Air force Base..

Anyone who doesn't see the importance of this find is deluding themselves. That is assuming everything I just said is supported by more than just this person's article.

 

[Darkly Brooding]

Who said anything about Corso?

Me,...
I brought him into the conversation as an example of someone else who claims to have handled Roswell debris, yet has nothing to substantiate the claim other than his testimony,...or even Jesse Marcel Jr., who I DO believe to be a more credible witness to the debris.
Both of those witnesses provide less evidence than what this article claims to be providing, and therefore, imo, this provides a more tangible trail than anything else to date.

Regardless of our opinion on Corso,...thanks for adding yours to the thread,...

 

[KEROUAC]

I remember reading about this and there is some interesting info here although quite a long article.

http://www.sunrisepage.com/roswell/austresearcher.pdf

and also
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/in...terrestrial&action=display&thread=5697&page=1

 

[The Hawk]

Me,...
I brought him into the conversation as an example of someone else who claims to have handled Roswell debris, yet has nothing to substantiate the claim other than his testimony,...or even Jesse Marcel Jr., who I DO believe to be a more credible witness to the debris.
Both of those witnesses provide less evidence than what this article claims to be providing, and therefore, imo, this provides a more tangible trail than anything else to date.

Regardless of our opinion on Corso,...thanks for adding yours to the thread,...

Two of the companies that Corso claimed to seed technology out to had letters which offhand (mentioning no specifics whatsoever) thanked Corso's commander. I find that compelling on it's own. So a company thanks a random military general and doesn't mention any specifics wtf ? Corso said that part of the agreements with the companies is that they were to never document who gave them the technology or where it came from.

 

[Gareth]

But Corso has nothing to do with my objections to calling this a smoking gun. Judge the case on its own merit.

All Im saying it that while it is interesting, it certainly does NOT "confirm Roswell debris to Nitinol and Battelle". It just doesnt. It presents interesting tid bits that might lead to confirmation.

But its not there yet. And bringing Corso up as a way to prop this case up is not the way to go IMO. If I was putting this down while at the same time promoting Corso as an alternative then you would have a point. But I wasnt.

 

[Darkly Brooding]

/sigh,...

I disagree that Corso doesn't belong in this conversation.

To start, again, I agree, this doesn't "confirm" anything, it's a quote taken from a story on a pending book release, and I'm sure you're not that marketing daft not know the value of a catchy title. If that's your issue, your not alone.

But I disagree that this isn't a smoking gun.

What would really make this story confirmation, is if we had someone who could testify to the subject matter of that first Battelle report, as all validity would hinge on it's contents. As is, it's a paper trail that isn't supposed to exist, remained classified until now, and fits too neatly into the puzzle that is the mythology of Roswell, to be that easily dismissed as merely interesting imo.

First, the Roswell connection is implied by the development of what was termed, by people who handled the Roswell deris, as "memory metal".
What,...the govt decided to develop Nitinol to emulate something that was "fictionally" reported in Roswell a few years earlier?
Or perhaps, the properties of Nitinol just coincidentally happen to mimick those of said "memory metals"?
Both of those are weak sauce, although the latter being the more possible of the two.

Add to that the fact that we had no need, or method, to develop titanium to that level of purity to use in an alloy, that had no practical or intended defense applications, and spent considerable resources to do so,...
All for curiosities sake?
This lends itself to the supposition that there was an existing sample for us to follow and back engineer.

Second, where's the first report? What possible reason could there be that it either doesn't exist or remains classified? To me this is the most interesting aspect of this story. Again, a smoking gun.

Furthermore, on to what Corso testifies to, but had no proof of: that government contracted out to private institutions to work on black budget projects on unknown materials recovered from crashed UFOs, in that exact time frame, and corresponds to independently reported Roswell debris. If you call that a prop, so be it, but theories can be accepted to be facts with enough of these props,...

That makes this a larger building block in the argument, without being the confirmation we desire, and that I maintain, no longer exists.

PS a link to the "non-confirming" Second Battelle report: http://www.foia.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090731-057.pdf