Fragment of the Starchild’s FOXP2 Gene is Recovered

[mike]

To put this in perspective, let’s imagine that when alive, the Starchild was indeed some unknown humanoid. No matter how different from humans it might have been, to be in the humanoid family its FOXP2 gene would have to be in the range of 1 or 2 or at most 3 base pair variations from a normal human. To go past 5 or 10 would put it into another class of species. 20 to 25 would put it in the range of mice and elephants, and dogs and frogs. To have 56 is to put it in another realm, another dimension entirely. It is utterly unique.

2011 Starchild Skull Preliminary DNA Report

 

[Han]

I would take anything I read on this site* with a sack of salt!



"ANALYSIS OF "MORGELLONS DISEASE" AS A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION FOR THE FIBERS OBSERVED IN THE STARCHILD SKULL'S BONE"



*Starchild Skull and Morgellons

 

[Goggs Mackay]

So this is the Lloyd Pye (Ruler of the Universe) starchild skull?

Whatever anyone thinks of UFO Hunters, I think the episode with this skull was pretty good. The bilateral symmetry of the skull was perfect, too perfect to be some congenital deformity I believe, though of course I am no expert. It was interesting to note the increased brain capacity too.
Whichever way you look at it, the skull is enough of an enigma to be taken seriously. Now, have any mainstream scientists made any conclusions on the skull?

 

[dyingsun]

Oh please no.... I still think it is a hydrocephalic childs head..clearly, any analysis of the 'bone' from back then would be different from ours today.

 

[mike]

So this is the Lloyd Pye (Ruler of the Universe) starchild skull?

Whatever anyone thinks of UFO Hunters, I think the episode with this skull was pretty good. The bilateral symmetry of the skull was perfect, too perfect to be some congenital deformity I believe, though of course I am no expert. It was interesting to note the increased brain capacity too.
Whichever way you look at it, the skull is enough of an enigma to be taken seriously. Now, have any mainstream scientists made any conclusions on the skull?

Im of the same mind, i think there are enough questions about this case to make it interesting.
Regardless of what one may think of Pye and or his conclusions, the DNA results are good science imo.

If this is an accurate depiction of the differences as determined by DNA sequencing then it represents a creature thats very odd

If we compare the same section from a rhesus monkey’s FOXP2, only 2 of its 211 base pairs would vary from any human. If it were a mouse, it would be 20. If a dog, 27. An elephant, 21. An opossum, 21. A Xenopus (a kind of frog), 26. So dogs and frogs are the most different, at 27 and 26 base pairs respectively.
To put this in perspective, let’s imagine that when alive, the Starchild was indeed some unknown humanoid. No matter how different from humans it might have been, to be in the humanoid family its FOXP2 gene would have to be in the range of 1 or 2 or at most 3 base pair variations from a normal human. To go past 5 or 10 would put it into another class of species. 20 to 25 would put it in the range of mice and elephants, and dogs and frogs. To have 56 is to put it in another realm, another dimension entirely. It is utterly unique

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Wow, two things that don't exist - The Starchild and Morgellon's disease.

 

[mike]

While it may well be morgellons is no more than delusional parasitosis

The 2007 Atlas of Human Parasitology covers the proposed condition in its section on "Pseudoparasites and Artifacts":

Many dermatologists refute the suggestion that this is an actual disease but instead indicate that many of these patients have psychological problems or other common skin disorders. Given the large numbers of individuals who feel that they have this affliction, it will be most helpful over the coming years to have a valid scientific assessment of Morgellons disease and its possible etiology (or etiologies). One of the chief criticisms by many patients has been that they feel the medical community and other scientists consulted have not been open to the idea that there is possibly an as yet unidentified infectious or physiologic causation for the disease. However it is certainly true that many expert parasitologists, medical entomologists and other microbiologists have in fact carefully examined fibers and other materials expressed or extracted from such patients and found that biological organisms are not present. Although an apparent association of the condition with the presence of Lyme disease has been reported (Savely et al., 2006, Am J Clin Dermatol, 7:1–6), further research will be needed to help resolve the validity of Morgellons disease. Until then, whether Morgellons disease is another name for delusional parasitosis or a real disease entity with a biologic or physiologic basis will remain up in the air​

And indeed thats what the CDC concluded this year, so to say it doesnt exist is incorrect, it does exist and is considered to be delusional parasitosis by the mainstream medical profession, the question is one of labels, its simply another name for delusional parasitosis , which is a real albiet psychological condition.

And the skull as far as i can tell is real, whats in question is the conclusions drawn by Pye about its nature.
That said one assumes the DNA testing has been done to a proper scientific standard, and thus the results are valid and worth consideration imo.

To simply dismiss them with a one liner like "dont exist" is a bit shabby mate.

If only it were that simple to resolve the questions of the paranormal, Nothing to see here folks they "dont exist" , we could shut down the paracast and delete the archives, if the answers were that simple​

 

[Angel of Ioren]

While it may well be morgellons is no more than delusional parasitosis

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And indeed thats what the CDC concluded this year, so to say it doesnt exist is incorrect, it does exist and is considered to be delusional parasitosis by the mainstream medical profession, the question is one of labels, its simply another name for delusional parasitosis , which is a real albiet psychological condition.​

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And the skull as far as i can tell is real, whats in question is the conclusions drawn by Pye about its nature.​

That said one assumes the DNA testing has been done to a proper scientific standard, and thus the results are valid and worth consideration imo.​

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To simply dismiss them with a one liner like "dont exist" is a bit shabby mate.​

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If only it were that simple to resolve the questions of the paranormal, Nothing to see here folks they "dont exist" , we could shut down the paracast and delete the archives, if the answers were that simple​

The thing is, the people that named it Morgellons disease refuse to admit that it's a psychological disease. So, in fact, Morgellons disease does not actually exist, it's a delusion.
But let's not argue semantics.

 

[mike]

The thing is, the people that named it Morgellons disease refuse to admit that it's a psychological disease. So, in fact, Morgellons disease does not actually exist, it's a delusion.
But let's not argue semantics.

whether Morgellons disease is another name for delusional parasitosis or a real disease entity with a biologic or physiologic basis will remain up in the air

In January 2008, CDC began an investigation that sought to better understand an unexplained apparent dermopathy, commonly referred to as Morgellons.

Future efforts should focus on helping patients reduce their symptoms through careful attention to treatment of co-existing medical, including psychiatric conditions, that might be contributing to their symptoms.

CDC - Unexplained Dermopathy (UD) Study - Background and Summary

Semantics are in this matter important, the symptoms are real, according to the CDC. To say it doesnt exist is incorrect, you cant do a clinical study on something that doesnt exist.

The symptoms Do exist, the CDC says so, the CDC have concluded patients presenting with symptoms of what they claim is morgellons is in fact delusional parasitosis , this is a better answer than doesnt exist

 

[trainedobserver]

Oddly enough, I know of someone, now dead, who for the life of me seemed to have had the Morgellons symptoms. The fibers and all that business. They were told they were fiberglass fibers but it seemed so incredible that it could be that. I'm just say'n ...

 

[Angel of Ioren]

CDC - Unexplained Dermopathy (UD) Study - Background and Summary

Semantics are in this matter important, the symptoms are real, according to the CDC. To say it doesnt exist is incorrect, you cant do a clinical study on something that doesnt exist.

The symptoms Do exist, the CDC says so, the CDC have concluded patients presenting with symptoms of what they claim is morgellons is in fact delusional parasitosis , this is a better answer than doesnt exist

Okay. I don't want you to make a big deal out of this. Just to be clear though - the CDC did not call it Morgellons, right?

 

[mike]

The link is there Angelo

In January 2008, CDC began an investigation that sought to better understand an unexplained apparent dermopathy, commonly referred to as Morgellons

They concluded not that there was no such thing, or that it didnt exist, but rather what people were calling Morgellons was an incorrect labeling of, or another name for delusional parasitosis .

The phrase (dont) Doesnt exist, carrys with it implications of not being real in any way shape or form, like the tooth fairy.

(dont) Doesnt exist as a device to explain Morgellons is not an accurate answer, its an absolute negative where the truth is, its a mislabeled reality.

There is a world of difference in the two explanations.

One is case closed, no such thing, the other is case reclassified its real but not what you thought it was.

Seamantics in this case is the difference between no such thing ,and its real.

The patients are real, the symptoms are real, the clinical studies are real, the conclusions are real.
Morgellons disease is another name for delusional parasitosis according to the CDC
Being mislabeled/misidentified doesnt detract from its reality,

What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

The correct answer to what is morgellons according to the CDC is, Morgellons disease is another name for delusional parasitosis .

Doesnt exist carrys the implication of absolute negation, the reality is far from that

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Okay Mike, I see what you're getting at and it makes sense.

 

[trainedobserver]

The patients are real, the symptoms are real, the clinical studies are real, the conclusions are real.
Morgellons disease is another name for delusional parasitosis according to the CDC
Being mislabeled/misidentified doesnt detract from its reality,
The correct answer to what is morgellons according to the CDC is, Morgellons disease is another name for delusional parasitosis .
Doesnt exist carrys the implication of absolute negation, the reality is far from that

Is even possible for a person to have fiberglass fibers embedded and coming out of their skin? The story the doctors where giving her was that she was exposed to some loose insulation in a building that she either worked or lived in that got into her skin. It wasn't like a couple or for a few days you understand. When it was described to me I immediately thought, "Could that be Morgellons?" and the more they talked the more I became convinced whatever it was it wasn't some fiberglass insulation, but they were in agreement with the doctor. I guess in that case it wouldn't be delusional parasitosis since the person was going along with the doctors diagnosis of fiberglass contamination. Has anyone else heard of someone with such a fiberglass related problem?