Mr. Fibuli
Paranormal Adept
It's been kinda eating at me for a couple of weeks. I know folks have commented on the shows with Goggs that he sounds like Scotty, but, as an American who watches a lot of British TV and Trek, I have to say just no.
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Goggs sounds like Scotty? Nah.
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Some people just have far more developed ears for discerning accents, for instance with myself and American accents, I can differentiate between real Southern accents like Curt's and say, that of a posh Bostonian. I can tell New York/Jersey etc - although Gene's accent has diluted somewhat, you can still hear his origins coming out on some words, such as 'half' etc.
Of course James Doohan, who played the character of 'Scotty' in Star Trek: The Original Series, was a Canadian actor and to anyone actually from the UK it is blindingly obvious he is not Scottish. But for most Americans, any general-sounding Scottish accent will past muster. That is no slant on US citizens because to really know a true accent, one needs to have had decent contact with a native speaker.
As I mentioned in the show, I feel Doohan's accent was far superior to Simon Pegg's and I think it is probably that Pegg is really over-doing it and sounding quite silly in doing so. When good Scottish actor's do English accents, you mostly cannot tell they are not English.
@ Mr Fibuli - I agree 100% in that I do not sound like the Scotty character but you must be one of the few for whom that determination was easy and natural as many fellow North Americans would happily take my bad rendition as close enough!
(Interesting -for me- side note - By watching many of the original Trek series again lately because it was being shown on TV, I found out to my surprise that James Doohan's Scotty character is, like me, from Aberdeen. Apparently Doohan got the part as an engineer and he himself decided to make Scotty Scottish because he said when he thought of great engineers, he thought of Scottish ones and I for one, will not disagree with him!)
Of course James Doohan, who played the character of 'Scotty' in Star Trek: The Original Series, was a Canadian actor and to anyone actually from the UK it is blindingly obvious he is not Scottish. But for most Americans, any general-sounding Scottish accent will past muster. That is no slant on US citizens because to really know a true accent, one needs to have had decent contact with a native speaker.
As I mentioned in the show, I feel Doohan's accent was far superior to Simon Pegg's and I think it is probably that Pegg is really over-doing it and sounding quite silly in doing so. When good Scottish actor's do English accents, you mostly cannot tell they are not English.
@ Mr Fibuli - I agree 100% in that I do not sound like the Scotty character but you must be one of the few for whom that determination was easy and natural as many fellow North Americans would happily take my bad rendition as close enough!
(Interesting -for me- side note - By watching many of the original Trek series again lately because it was being shown on TV, I found out to my surprise that James Doohan's Scotty character is, like me, from Aberdeen. Apparently Doohan got the part as an engineer and he himself decided to make Scotty Scottish because he said when he thought of great engineers, he thought of Scottish ones and I for one, will not disagree with him!)
In broad Aberdonian, it would even be pronounced 'Net', said quickly. I did not grow up speaking the way my friends etc did, because my parents both came from the extremities of Scotland, both known for producing very understandable speakers of English. Contrast with broad Glaswegian, which quite frankly is like Ferengi in practical terms for visitors and even some natives...
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
I have very good friends from Scotland and the Missus is from Glasgow. 14 years later her accent continues to garble my comprehension even when I give over all my focus. But it is such a rich and joyous cadence with wonderful dynamics - I always look forward to going out with them. Listening to you comparatively, requires no effort at all but does provide some international flavor to the show.
Mr. Fibuli
Paranormal Adept
Yeah, wow, I forgot how indecipherable the thicker Scottish accents can be, but linking to those clips reminded me. Especially Scottish Star Trek (good grief).
I have to say one of my favorite things in the world is a terrible American accent from a British actor. Lots of actors such as Hugh Laurie have a perfect grip, but my all-time favorite worst was a character named Mike Barbosa on 'As Time Goes By' who was supposed to be a producer from Los Angeles. A memorable one from scifi is Nicola Bryant (Peri) from Dr Who-delightful.
I have to say one of my favorite things in the world is a terrible American accent from a British actor. Lots of actors such as Hugh Laurie have a perfect grip, but my all-time favorite worst was a character named Mike Barbosa on 'As Time Goes By' who was supposed to be a producer from Los Angeles. A memorable one from scifi is Nicola Bryant (Peri) from Dr Who-delightful.
ChrisJohnsen
Paranormal Adept
I worked with a band from Glasgow in the late 90s. Great kids but when they got to talking amongst themselves it was virtually impossible to follow the conversation. They found it very amusing and it was like their own secret language when touring America.
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Spectre73
Paranormal Maven
I agree Goggs. I was born close to Glasgow (East Kilbride). I think my accent is fairly soft and I still have trouble today with some of the broad (or old style) Glaswegian articulations!
