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FACS, for Facial Action Coding System, is a real set of techniques used by law enforcement professionals. I have only seen one example (on video) of it used to assess the credibility of an eyewitness to a ufo event.

I'm wondering why this isn't used more often? We have tons of eyewitness testimony "in the can" that could be evaluated by someone with the proper training.

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All forms of lie detection are BS. Yes, cops use it, so does the government. Intelligence agencies are gaga over such things. But that's the same government that is 15 trillion dollars in debt and keeps increasing its budget each and every year. I wouldn't go putting much stock into anything they have to say. Science is pretty dismissive of lie detection in its various forms, and for good reason.
 
The dangers of misuse of any form of lie detection by law enforcement should be obvious and one for which we must be on guard. We live in strange times.

I think the difference here is that no criminal activity is at issue. We all use amateur lie detection in dealing with everyday issues. If well designed psychological studies show a statistical hit in analyzing facial expressions in some systematic way, then I think we are stuck with that as a scientific fact. I'm not certain they do. In fact, I would rather they did not. But if true, it might allow us to at least assess the likelihood (I stress likelihood) that witnesses are reporting experiences as they remember them.

I know. We seem to be edging toward a world akin to something imagined by Philip K. Dick and it's repugnant. But if this technology is shown to be valid, I think we are better off knowing how and to what extent it works.
 
Personally I think that taking a positive interest in people's experiences and combining it with standard investigative tasks ( locating independent corroborating witnesses, checking the site location ... etc. ) is the best methodology.

I agree but I also think that the more tools the the toolbox the better. In the case of alien abduction claims the only thing available for investigation is the person making the claim and the story itself.

boomerang said:
ufology, I see your point. The last thing this field needs is more distrust and recrimination.

I've been a UFO buff for over 40 years or so and I've seen a lot of things come and go. I am of the strong opinion that what the field needs is a much stronger distrust and a more aggressive vetting of stories and their sources. The history of the field is filled with liars, con-men, and hoaxers who have been exposed only to have their stories live on and become part of the UFO mythology in spite of it.

Ufology (and the study of the paranormal in general) is plagued by people who for whatever reason feel compelled to embellish their stories, backgrounds, and education. This is a historical and present day fact. To ignore this is counterproductive to any desire to know the truth about these subjects. Someone who will lie to you about their work or educational background has already regulated themselves to the ranks of the tellers of tall tales and the untrustworthy. They want me to believe their extraordinary stories of uncanny paranormal experiences or discoveries and they cannot be honest with me about themselves? Please.

In this field how many doctors have proven not to be doctors of anything? How many fake veterans, navy seals, and the like have we seen? How many people claiming to be this or that have proven to be otherwise? A great many. There are undoubtedly more to come as well.

I've become disillusioned and very disheartened by what I see as a betrayal of the spirit of Ufology by these characters and the people who support or simply allow them to continue in their deceptions. People quite often make a great deal of noise about truth but in the end its all about entertainment and little else.

Given these facts I find that skepticism is the only rational response to this reality. An unapologetic examination of claims and claimants is the only avenue available to us if we want the truth rather than to be entertained. But the whole paranormal business is just largely entertainment with any serious consideration of the subject being scuttled by dishonest folks who should just market their stuff as fiction and be done with it. But maybe that is it. Maybe there is an inside joke that most of us just aren't in on.
 
You hit the nail right on the head T.O. That some of these guys try to embellish their accomplishments is sort of sad, as though it will add to their theories. It's not necessary.
 
I don't really think there is any actual "field" of Ufology. :p Mostly a rag tag bunch of "investigators" with various levels of competence and motives. But, as for the padding of resumes. You will find that happens in all fields and at all levels. Just human nature and some systems pratically "demand" an overblown list of skills. But, I do agree in this day and age it's not wise to falsely "claim" somthing that can easily be googled or found by a large amount of people.
 
I don't really think there is any actual "field" of Ufology. :p Mostly a rag tag bunch of "investigators" with various levels of competence and motives. But, as for the padding of resumes. You will find that happens in all fields and at all levels. Just human nature and some systems pratically "demand" an overblown list of skills. But, I do agree in this day and age it's not wise to falsely "claim" somthing that can easily be googled or found by a large amount of people.

Well, its all a matter of semantics and I use the term field loosely. The field of paranormal research is wide thing full of pot holes and cow pies to be certain.

Yes, people lie and mislead in all fields of human endeavor. However, there is nothing worse than these paranormal divas' disingenuous scorn of people because they have the unmitigated gall to call into question their or someone else's claims of experiences or personal histories. Oh those skeptics. Oh those debunkers. Oh those people who think science is all that and a bag of chips! Just how do you think they got that way? Honesty and integrity is an absolute necessity no matter what side you find yourself on for a given subject.

I guess one field that the study of the paranormal squarely falls into and that is the field of entertainment. Some folks, myself included, have mistaken it as a reflection of the search for truth. I just finding that isn't really the case for the most part.
 
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