Governmental Disclosure

[subject x]

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the government should disclose any knowledge of UFOs/ETs that they may have.

What I'm wondering is, if they came out today with a press conference or whatever and said "Yes, we know about UFOs/ETs and have for many years. Here is what we know........" and listed a bunch of stuff with pictures and documentation to back it up......would you believe them?

I know that I, personally, and pretty much everyone I come in contact with, don't believe a word that comes out of Washington DC. or any other government source. These people have been spouting lies for as long as I can remember and probably longer. There is lots of evidence of this easily found. The old U-2 spy plane incident comes to mind, along with many other examples.

They lie about everything, so why should disclosure be any different?

So, this being the case, why do people keep demanding "full governmental disclosure" when they most likely wouldn't believe it anyway? It seems kinda pointless to me.

 

[TClaeys]

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the government should disclose any knowledge of UFOs/ETs that they may have.


So, this being the case, why do people keep demanding "full governmental disclosure" when they most likely wouldn't believe it anyway? It seems kinda pointless to me.

Well I don't think that everyone wants total disclosure. I, for one, am not asking for disclosure. I think that the people lobbying vehemently for this so-called disclosure may not know what they are asking for. I tend to think that they are expecting a space brothers scenario or something that is at least digestible.

They seem to treat the government like a little kid. "You are lying to us!! Stop lying and tell us the truth!! And then we'll demand more stuff and berate you further!! And wipe that smile off your face!"

Here is what I think. The government knows more than they are telling. They are likely not telling because they don't know what is going on either. People would go mad if the government disclosed such information. People will disagree with me, but I believe it is fact that people, in general, would have drastic and frantic reactions to such news.

While I personally want to know what the government knows, I don't think it would be wise to disclose anything because of the fallout that would follow. We can't even handle a gay couple having the same rights as a married couple. We can't handle missing an episode of American Idol. But we want the "truth" about the UFO's? Talk about major upheaval.

And you are right, whatever they would tell us would be a lesson in "how to keep the people in control" and not a true disclosure. That is, unless there really is nothing to it. Disclosure, in my opinion, IS pointless and futile as you have implied. I don't see the point of knocking on the governments door. At least, until we have the solid irrefutable proof to justify it.

 

[fitzbew88]

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the government should disclose any knowledge of UFOs/ETs that they may have.

Well, golly jeepers I would like to know why they are keeping "it" secret before I suggest a press conference.

They might have a good reason.

I am not absolutely convinced they are keeping any "secrets", although "they" probably have some really good cases we've never heard of.

Most of the documents I trust that have emerged from the U.S. gov't show an entity that is just as perplexed as we are.

 

[subject x]

They are likely not telling because they don't know what is going on either.

I can go along with them not knowing completely what's going on. They most likely know more then we do, but not the whole story.

People would go mad if the government disclosed such information.

People are already mad. For example:

We can't even handle a gay couple having the same rights as a married couple. We can't handle missing an episode of American Idol.

People flip out all the time anyway. It doesn't really matter what the subject is. Without "disclosure", they flip out. With "disclosure", they will still flip out. It's just a matter of what their instability is focused on that particular day.

And you are right, whatever they would tell us would be a lesson in "how to keep the people in control" and not a true disclosure. That is, unless there really is nothing to it. Disclosure, in my opinion, IS pointless and futile as you have implied. I don't see the point of knocking on the governments door. At least, until we have the solid irrefutable proof to justify it.

I agree for the most part, except that even with proof, there is still no reason to believe what they would tell us.

 

[subject x]

Well, golly jeepers I would like to know why they are keeping "it" secret before I suggest a press conference.

They might have a good reason.

There is no good reason for them to keep info from us, the people they work for.

I am not absolutely convinced they are keeping any "secrets", although "they" probably have some really good cases we've never heard of.

Well, if they "probably" have cases we've never heard of, they are "probably" keeping secrets.

Most of the documents I trust that have emerged from the U.S. gov't show an entity that is just as perplexed as we are.

I have yet to see anything from the government that I trust. They lie. Always. If they seem perplexed, I would bet my last dollar that they're not. Of course, that's just me.

 

[mike]

i have two strong theorys on this

one: the aliens have convinced the govt something catastrophic is going to happen and they can only save a chosen few, telling the people we have definative proof the magnetic poles are about to swap places in say 2012 and that there will be catastrophic floods of biblical proportion and implication.

or as quoted in one of Mr Streibers books as being said by the then president after roswell "they come from god know where, they want god knows what, and theres nothing we can do about it" not withstanding the public reaction (thanks Orson for a sneak peek),
politically its a disaster. they had stepped in and more or less singlehandedly put the kibosh on WW2 and were riding high as the undistuputed "top dog" in the world. to have to suddenly tell the public otherwise, would have been political suicide AND at a time when a new reality had emerged and one that was perceived as a threat.

if the latter is true then i think not much has changed, i think that the military has been working secretly to regain the "upper hand", what else could they do ?

personally if thats the scenario i would do the same, the famous orson wells radio show factor added to the daily road toll would mean disaster, and thats just the first reaction of a public. the war of the worlds debacle was put to bed quickly, had it been left to go a few days there would have been food shortages due to hoarding and rioting, no one would trust anyone for fear they were aliens or under alien control........... everyone out for themselfs and paranoid . add guns to that.

would you do it ? considering the possible disastrous social results
i wouldnt, i would instead focus on finding a way to negate any advantage they may have technologically or otherwise.

Deception is a universal constant, from the leopard spots to the zebras stripes, from the trapdoor spider to the chameleon
Deception is a huge part of the natural order of things and a huge factor in the equation

Deception equals survival

 

[subject x]

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the government should disclose any knowledge of UFOs/ETs that they may have.

OK, I guess I was over-estimating the everyone part of that. Whether people think disclosure is a good or not-so-good idea wasn't really what I was wondering about, but thanks for y'alls thoughts on the subject.

I'm asking that if they decided to make a public announcement, whether this be a good idea or bad, would you believe what they told us? Considering the governments past record of "honesty"?

And if, as I would think, most people would not, doesn't that kinda make the whole disclosure thing a moot issue?

 

[mike]

I'm asking that if they decided to make a public announcement, whether this be a good idea or bad, would you believe what they told us? Considering the governments past record of "honesty"?

i think that if the leaders of say the usa england and russia were to make a joint announcment say via the UN assembly, then people would beleive it, and that would be a bad idea for the politicians involved because rather than answer anyones questions it would simply raise more, including "what are you doing to protect us"
if you dont have a positive answer to that one, then its best the question never gets asked.

 

[fitzbew88]

Well, golly jeepers I would like to know why they are keeping "it" secret before I suggest a press conference.

They might have a good reason.

There is no good reason for them to keep info from us, the people they work for.

Well, it's just sheer imagination, but I can think of lots of reasons for them to keep "it" secret:

1) The aliens asked them to.
2) The aliens threatened them if they did not.
3) Widespread acceptance of their existence by society gives the aliens a broader foothold into our reality (and some type of control over us).
4) The aliens are now part of our national security apparatus.
5) Some set of circumstances must be in place first (e.g., communication is still being worked out, they have to finish a base on the Moon, the hybrids must be viable, etc..).
6) They don't know what the phenomenon represents, and have just decided to wait until they know more.
7) They discovered we are an experiment and don't know the aliens will do once the experiment is corrupted.

I don't feel that the government (the U.S. government) is under any obligation to be fully forthright with me when it comes to information. I certainly hope they make the right decisions about what should be secret and what should NOT be secret --- but I expect them to make many blunders.

The "government" is just a giant organization of individuals, not some Dark Lord in a tower somewhere.

 

[truthseeker]

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the government should disclose any knowledge of UFOs/ETs that they may have.

What I'm wondering is, if they came out today with a press conference or whatever and said "Yes, we know about UFOs/ETs and have for many years. Here is what we know........" and listed a bunch of stuff with pictures and documentation to back it up......would you believe them?

I know that I, personally, and pretty much everyone I come in contact with, don't believe a word that comes out of Washington DC. or any other government source. These people have been spouting lies for as long as I can remember and probably longer. There is lots of evidence of this easily found. The old U-2 spy plane incident comes to mind, along with many other examples.

They lie about everything, so why should disclosure be any different?

So, this being the case, why do people keep demanding "full governmental disclosure" when they most likely wouldn't believe it anyway? It seems kinda pointless to me.

I highly doubt they will ever disclose anything. Even if UFOs landed on the White House lawn, they would just come out with some pathetic excuse or completely deny it.

 

[Rick Deckard]

IMO, the 'Government' won't be disclosing anything because they don't have access to it.

If proof does exist, it's in the hands of the private individuals who make the Governments of this world dance to their tunes. If there's no extra dollars to be gained by disclosing what they have, they'll just continue to keep it to themselves.

Don't you just love capitalism?