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Gulf Breeze / Vallee / Question for Maccabbee and note to Gene

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Koji K.

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OK, apologies for the odd subject title but I really wasn't sure what to call this.

Basically, recently on the Paracast Gene has been mentioning the idea that certain UFO incidents, such as the Betty & Barney Hill case, might be attributable to government (or otherwise human) machinations.

I think this is a very, very important issue in the field which needs to be looked at more. So important is this issue that I think it was actually one reason Jacques Vallee left the field. I highly recommend his last book on ufology, Revelations, which is more or less devoted to this exact topic. In it, Vallee mentions several pretty remarkable cases where he feels (sometimes because of explicit facts resulting from his own investigation, and sometimes more from "educated opinion") that government activity is responsible for alleged UFO cases. The Brentwater/Woodbridge case is one example which he devotes a chapter to.

Here's a little diversion on that topic:

Consider for example trying to penetrate an airfield of that size by, say, flying a helicopter into it. It would get shot down pretty fast, needless to say. Now what if you could incapacitate the guards by having them stare in awe at a light show? Or a simulated UFO landing? "High Strangeness" can be a potent weapon. (This is just one possible rationale for simulated UFO activity, I am not trying to sum up the book.) I have my own thoughts on Woodbridge which stem from my (nonparanormal) experience there. Let's say you were testing this "UFO weapon." You want a controlled subject sample. You want soldiers in the subject sample and you want it near as possible to an active installation. BUT you don't want them deciding it's a major threat, shooting at it and/or being able to sweep up any solid evidence if something goes wrong. How do you do this?

You simulate it on foreign soil just outside a US airbase where the US troops you are testing it on have no jurisdiction to open fire or bring out anything more than a pre-defined and "established" search team BUT still have authority to search. If anything goes wrong with the experiment, you shoo them back to their base and tell them the local authorities will be handling it (or someone ostensibly better placed to liase with those authorities.) Everything can be swept under the rug with some minor diplomatic cover-story. (The Brits do, incidentally, have a special response team devoted to handling nuclear accidents and other incidents at airbases on UK soil. So you could just say "these guys will take it from here" and send in your men in black or whoever.)

End of diversion. Getting back to my main point:

Another case is Gulf Breeze. He makes some really incredible claims about Gulf Breeze which I have not heard anyone- including Bruce Maccabbee when he was on the show- talk about, and which I would love to question him about (if vicariously, at least, through the Paracast!) Unfortunately I don't have my copy of the book with me, but the specific facts I remember Vallee going into were the odd disappearance of several (repeat, several) military intelligence personnel from their German bases (more or less on the eve of the first Gulf War), only to reappear having gone AWOL in Gulf Breeze during the UFO flap. These servicemen were not disciplined in any way, and essentially just faded away.

Put frankly, I want to know more. I've heard a lot about Gulf Breeze but since the first I had heard about it was reading Revelations, I've always been highly skeptical about it and I think next time Maccabee is on he should be asked if he's read this pretty important book and what he thinks about Vallee's opinion.

And please, read the book. This book was the first I read on the topic because I happened to find it in a used bookstore and it looked interesting. I am to this day glad it was the first I read because it is essentially Vallee's final conclusions and warning (Eisenhower style) to all who would venture into ufology about the very complex state of the field and the deceptions within.

Peace out.
 
I think a lot of people (myself included) would like to know more factual information about the Gulf Breeze 6. It's a very strange story, and very little was told about it at the time.

It seemed to largely be set around Ouija board sessions, where the personnel were told of future events...ones that according to them were specific and came to pass.

They were caught for of all things, a broken tail light...pulled over and identified.

It is a weird story. More here:
http://www.philipcoppens.com/gulfbreeze6.html
 
ive always entertained the possibility that the whole ufo topic is a hoax.
that after the second world war the leaders of the us military complex did not want to give up their new found status and funding and so created the urban myth of UFO's.
sucessfully convincing the executive ie president and congress that we have a new enemy from outer space would ensure the sort of power and funding they had become used to during the war

convincing other govts of the same is also an advantage in that their attention is now focused on the ET threat.
someones "national defense" program is a threat to other nations, but a "global defense" program, far from being a threat is to your nation is in fact positive
a nation that convinces the others its global defense program is a good thing rules the planet by proxy

its classic psych ops on a grand scale

im not saying these are the facts, just a natural possibility
 
mike said:
ive always entertained the possibility that the whole ufo topic is a hoax.
that after the second world war the leaders of the us military complex did not want to give up their new found status and funding and so created the urban myth of UFO's.
sucessfully convincing the executive ie president and congress that we have a new enemy from outer space would ensure the sort of power and funding they had become used to during the war

convincing other govts of the same is also an advantage in that their attention is now focused on the ET threat.
someones "national defense" program is a threat to other nations, but a "global defense" program, far from being a threat is to your nation is in fact positive
a nation that convinces the others its global defense program is a good thing rules the planet by proxy

its classic psych ops on a grand scale

im not saying these are the facts, just a natural possibility

That's an interesting take on it, mike. It appears to fit as well (and practical) as any other supposition. One thing, how would you explain abductees, sightings, odd physical evidence? All government programs?
 
Well, Mike, I can tell you that the things that I've seen in the air move nothing like any current human technology, so I'm not of the mind that all UFO cases are hoaxes. Some number of them, sure, but all? Not a chance.

dB
 
David Biedny said:
Well, Mike, I can tell you that the things that I've seen in the air move nothing like any current human technology, so I'm not of the mind that all UFO cases are hoaxes. Some number of them, sure, but all? Not a chance.

dB

dont get me wrong, on the sheer numbers involved in the universe the idea that we are alone is absurd.
but watching the recent post about classified tech, its not beyond the realms of possibility imho that the cream of current human technology is top secret. the bit about mercury plasma being used to distort the gravity feild was very interesting.

the biggest military advantage ever invented the A bomb promptly had its plans stolen and was reverse engineered, now just about everyones got one and the advantage is moot.
having learned that lesson, it wouldnt surprise me that the military would ensure that if they developed such tech it remained secret and for military use only.

and whilst im not disputing that ETs are here, i am saying that if they werent, it would make sense to fake it.

controlling a persons body, or a nations army is more expensive than simply controlling the persons/leaders mindset.
 
mike said:
controlling a persons body, or a nations army is more expensive than simply controlling the persons/leaders mindset.

I agree, theoretically price would dictate this incentive.

But waste of money? America?! That’s all we do!!!

BTW, it doesn’t appear as though we control the world as you suggest; at least on the surface.
 
Seth said:
BTW, it doesn’t appear as though we control the world as you suggest; at least on the surface.

lol thats how you know your doing it properly

but let me paint a hypothetical picture here

lets say that no one took credit for the atom bombs that got dropped on japan ending world war two.
say for a moment that the development of this bomb had been kept beyond beyond top secret and it had been deployed covertly with no one claiming "its ours"
i would bet you that today the mystery would be answered in the same way, It must be ETs because human technology isnt on that scale, the blast was of unprecidented force, and the area radio active.

weve been building bombs for years and we have nothing that matches this blast.

of course history is different and we know who developed that tech and pretty soon everyone had it, but looking at human tech especially the last 50 years i think there may well be secret advances in tech that would "make george lucas drool"
 
jritzmann - Thanks for the link of the Gulf Breeze 6, I had not seen that one before and it contained some information which I hadn't previously come across.

Information on the web does seem to be pretty scarce. I was able to find the following archived discussion from an old online bbs-type system (Fidonet), which is pretty straightforward and interesting. (It mostly sums up the facts from Vallee's book):

http://www.paranetinfo.com/UFO_Files/ufo/gb6.txt
 
That stuff on the Gulf Breeze 6 is really bizarre--I hadn't heard about that. I suspect it was more likely that one of the six was the alpha personality, and the other five formed his unofficial cult, sharing his schizophrenia. Just a guess.
 
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