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paraschtick
Paragilmorian guy
Uhh ... and the Welsh got there way before Chris Columbus ... and the Vikings ... as did the Irish ... probably the Scottish too ... umm ... 
. Doesn't really matter what his name is ...
Or am I missing the point
. Doesn't really matter what his name is ...Or am I missing the point
Xylo
Paranormal Adept
Uhh ... and the Welsh got there way before Chris Columbus ... and the Vikings ... as did the Irish ... probably the Scottish too ... umm ...
Or am I missing the point
And supposedly the Chinese as well.
paraschtick
Paragilmorian guy
And the Phoenicians ... and probably the Romans too. What a small world it was in those days
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Uhh ... and the Welsh got there way before Chris Columbus ... and the Vikings ... as did the Irish ... probably the Scottish too ... umm ...
Or am I missing the point
A there is no point really lol. Just Say, if you discovered America, wouldn't you like to be remembered by your actual name? That is what annoy's me, there is evidence for other travellers having visited America, but it doesn't get looked at by Academia. What is up with that, if you don't explore the past, you can never understand the future, that is my motto for life
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And the Phoenicians ... and probably the Romans too. What a small world it was in those days
Romans might be pushing it here, but the Phoenicians very likely in my opinion.
Ron Collins
Curiously Confused
We are taught his actual name in grade school along with the probability that Eric the Red was the first European discoverer of the America's. However, Columbus thought he had discovered a trade route to India. Thus he called the locals Indians. Unfortunately, it stuck. The preferred nomenclature is Native Americans by the way. In all actuality he discovered Puerto Rico or Cuba having never actually made it to the mainland. But hey, at least he got that "Earth is Round" thing right.
Kevin Daly
Skilled Investigator
There was nothing exceptional in the "Earth is Round" thing - every educated European (and Arab etc.) had known that since Classical times (and the knowledge survived the fall of Rome, so it didn't have to be rediscovered). The roundness of the Earth was discussed and demonstrated in medieval astronomical texts.
Columbus wasn't ridiculed for claiming that the Earth was round, he was ridiculed for claiming that it was smaller than it actually is - he got lucky (and the natives of Cuba very unlucky) that an unsuspected major land mass got in the way on his voyage east.
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pixelsmith
Guest
being Norwegian I would prefer the history books teach us that the Vikings "discovered" America, BUT I would have to say that the "Indians" who were here to welcome them all might disagree. How do you "discover" something that was already found?
tortuegenial
Uzmynem
We (east africans) gave Columbus or Colon a map with directions to India and China (this of course after he discovered us), who then gave him a map of the world and yet more directions towards America....
rather than speculation though I heard about a book, 1492 I think it is, of well-documented records of interaction and trade between China and the rest of the world that would include America and the Natives before Chris.
p.s. Happy Syttende mai pixelsmith!
rather than speculation though I heard about a book, 1492 I think it is, of well-documented records of interaction and trade between China and the rest of the world that would include America and the Natives before Chris.
p.s. Happy Syttende mai pixelsmith!
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Leif Ericson, a Norse viking, it has been alleged, he discovered North America. I not sure, if you are aware of that story?
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pixelsmith
Guest
well of course! but there were natives here who apparently discovered America first.
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Yes they were there first, but anything before 6,OOO years ago then becomes mythology.
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pixelsmith
Guest
you cannot be serious about anything beyond 6000 years being mythology.
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
Before my bad lol.
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pixelsmith
Guest
i am even more confused now. are you saying the earth is only 6000 years old?
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
What I'm saying is the oldest known Civilization of the Americas is the "Caral SUPE". This Civilization flourished long the coast of Peru in and around 2500BC, but the're was probably a number of civilizations that probably pre-date this date. But if you contemplate that there was civilizations before 6,000 years ago, then you are now, talking about mythology.
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pixelsmith
Guest
are you sure about this? by "civilization" are you talking structured governments and such? i am pretty sure there were groups of humans living in the USA 20,000 years ago.
Kieran
Paranormal Adept
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The Academia view is there was no Humans in the Americas prior to 20,000 years ago, Pixel, i have a different mindset to you and others here, maybe? and I personally believe there was Civilizations in the Americas existing prior to that date. There is a possibility that 12,000 years ago, our world, contained a number of advanced cultures, but one day or, over a long period, those cultures got wiped out. Leaving behind amazing relics and amazing structures that still puzzle and confuse people today. I believe the ending of the last Ice age adequately explains the Flood myth, no matter if you, believe the Bible version of events or not. Imagine an Asteroid smashing into a large ocean back then, would it not cause an enormous tidal wave? We also.. have strong evidence "the Minoan Civilization was wiped out by an enormous super volcano explosion, which would undoubtedly have effected the Planet and it's habitants back then. I probably get slammed by people like Lance, but Lance and his fellow skeptics avoid asking the hard questions, they skip around here, and reply with lot of old nonsense and Until skeptics explain the unusual discoveries that have been uncovered around the world, i will forever remain doubtful to what they say. Here is an interesting Video, watch it Pixel, it educational at best.
http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2f_-YyleOE
The Academia view is there was no Humans in the Americas prior to 20,000 years ago, Pixel, i have a different mindset to you and others here, maybe? and I personally believe there was Civilizations in the Americas existing prior to that date. There is a possibility that 12,000 years ago, our world, contained a number of advanced cultures, but one day or, over a long period, those cultures got wiped out. Leaving behind amazing relics and amazing structures that still puzzle and confuse people today. I believe the ending of the last Ice age adequately explains the Flood myth, no matter if you, believe the Bible version of events or not. Imagine an Asteroid smashing into a large ocean back then, would it not cause an enormous tidal wave? We also.. have strong evidence "the Minoan Civilization was wiped out by an enormous super volcano explosion, which would undoubtedly have effected the Planet and it's habitants back then. I probably get slammed by people like Lance, but Lance and his fellow skeptics avoid asking the hard questions, they skip around here, and reply with lot of old nonsense and Until skeptics explain the unusual discoveries that have been uncovered around the world, i will forever remain doubtful to what they say. Here is an interesting Video, watch it Pixel, it educational at best.
http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2f_-YyleOE
ondafritz
Skilled Investigator
And DNA analysis proves that Native Americans are actually Native Japanese. Yes, it's true. SONY was here first.